Post by Doc

UK ones will be bound by law to do so ...same goes for anyone attempting to sell privately too .

For example , I`m a re-enactor ..you could sell me your MP40 next week ...however .... is it an offence for you to have not asked me for proof although you knew I was one ???

when you think about the risk (not just loosing your collection but liberty as well) I think everyone will be pretty careful.

DOC
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Right then, so there won't be a Reenactors Data Base (yet anyway) as the UKARA and UKASGB are setting up for Airsoft sales?

Proof of Membership of a Bona Fide group is all important clearly.

Private transactions will have to involve production and inspection of the Membership Card...

Presumably a dealer would need to contact the Reenacting Group's Membership Secretary for verification if the dealer was taking an on-line order for a RIF?

Cerwyn
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Post by Doc

I presume so yes , however to cover his butt I imagine a dealer would want to contact the group each time a purchase is made (to ensure said buyer had not been kicked out for some reason in which case dealer would not be covered) and then pretty soon a group may become fairly disenchanted with new members and the constant need to support them ..

Most regular re-enactors will not buy more than one weapon (not true of some) whereas someone who collects is likely to require more than one gun .
Same with airsofting types ...most of them will have six plus weapons and the reason a database could be set up between UK retailers is that there is lots of them so the effort is shared ...plus most UK airsoft retailers will ONLY have UK sales on items .
The same wont be said for anyone retailing modelguns ...just look at this forum ..people from all over the world ...and Wales .

DOC
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Post by Phobus

Do any of you guys think , as I do , that this law is just unenforcable ?

How on EARTH are the Police going to find time to check up on this , that and the other to do with this DAFT law ?

Just as a for instance . How are customs dudes , or police for that matter ,going to know which gun comes from which era ??

Are they really going to have some guy in an office with a copy of Janes in one hand, and a War through the ages volume in the other ??

Near me there are loads of little shops selling cheap bb guns and I am going down there midweek just as an experiment to see if they still have them on the shelves . I bet they do .

Also , I have already decided that if I have to start jumping through hoops to keep my hobby , I might just as well go back to real firearms .
I have a club near me with a 30m indoor and 100m outdoor range , and to me it is a better option .

Carl.
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Post by Doc

Its not a case of how enforceable it will be ..its a case of they will have a NEW LAW they can use if need be .

e.g some twonk is seen in his local high street waving a replica around ..van pulls up six burly officers drag him away , when asked when and where did he get said "lethal looking toy"...maggot says over at XYZ shop the other day .

Fuzz turn up arrest seller and then asks him to prove this sale was legit ..plastic gun dealer is charged and police think thats the last time they have to deal with that sort of thing along with a lovely headline " illegal arms dealer locked up ..labour keeps UK safe "

same goes if someone is caught importing one and the boys in blue pop your door off at 3.00 am " gun enthusiast found importing illegal arms" ...please vote labour ...

DOC
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Post by Doc

Phobus wrote:

Near me there are loads of little shops selling cheap bb guns and I am going down there midweek just as an experiment to see if they still have them on the shelves . I bet they do .

well if they sell you one you should turn around and ask for another three thrown in for nowt in order to keep quiet.
as I see it you will not be breaking the law by buying one ...the seller will
DOC

The last little precinct shop around here selling really cheap and 'orrible little BB guns was visited by a number of burly Police Officers and taken away on a Saturday morning. His shop was cleared of it's stocks including several Samurai swords and those "Fantasy" daggers etc.
That was about 12 months ago...
One or two dealers selling BB guns have been carted away from Car Boot Sales too, never to be seen again.

The Enforcing of the Law is effectively going to carried out by the Dealers themselves.
Not one reputable Dealer is going to risk his Business and a Gaol Term by selling a replica gun to anybody that cannot prove they're Legit.

Similarly, selling a Replica privately to somebody you don't know (very very well) could be extremely risky. Don't even think about Classified Ads in the Papers, Mr. Plod could turn up, pretending to be a buyer couldn't he?

The UK Airsoft site has wound down its' Classified Ads section already so Skirishers can only buy from UK dealers (or their mates I guess)

MadMike has suggested keeping our heads down awhile to see what happens... He has a good point there!
Big Brother is going to be waiting to pounce in dramatic style to prove they're doing something successfull to stop people shooting each other...
Arrests of Replica Gun Dealers and Importers will do nicely for the Headlines if nothing else.

Cerwyn

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Post by Phobus (Oct 1st 2007)

Well , I just came back form the local precinct and guess what ?

All the stuff is there up on the shelves just as before .

Airsoft springers , cheap aegs and even a couple of GBBs and shotguns .

Only signs I saw were the usual " no under 17 " " no public places " stuff .

I nearly bought one just on principle - if they were,nt so CRAP !!

Mind you it is a bit back of beyond where I live : ferrets and black pudding country maybe they will get the 14 years old , midget PCSO,s to go and have a quiet word . They don,t seem to have much else to do .

Carl.
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Post by 8ace (Oct 1st 2007)

What I still cant understand is that there doesn’t seem to be information available to the general public (like me) about today’s new legislation and considering that I could go to jail if I break this law seems very wrong.

Post by Phobus (Oct 1st 2007)

Airgun bbs forum is still advertising secondhand AEGs for sale !!

Carl
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If the guns for sale are from dealers they will probably (possibly) ask for proof of skirmish site membership before selling them to you.

Reenactor sites also have guns for private sale today. Legally, as DOC said yesterday, it'll be the sellers responsibility to ask for proof the buyer is a rreenactor and entitled to buy.

No doubt lots of people will flaunt the Law anyway risking prosecution (knowingly or otherwise) but it could be a very risky venture buying one without the right paperwork.

Mind you, I've heard Police Officers say thay haven't been briefed about the VCRA at all and didn't even know it existed!

If THEY don't know, what bloody chance have WE got???

Cerwyn

Post by Claymore

emails went round today for it for police but they really dont believe in it so dont expect your every day cop to be interested in it, not really sure who they expect to really enforce this on the individual as yet

Posted Oct 2nd 2007

Trading Standards Intercept and destroy replica guns (Airsoft), On National TV tonight

Spotted this on an A/S forum just now, guess it applies to ALL replicas doesn't it but it ain't just the Police...

"Didn't get all of the details but just watched on TV Trading Standards claiming to have intercepted a shipment of replica guns. the chap discussed the models were imitating AK's and M16's. In the background they had an open crate with airsoft boxes."

I have copied the post and pasted it "as is". I hope the author won't mind my quoting him.

Cerwyn
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Post by tommyargue

Hiya.

I've an opinion on this matter. why doesn't everyone just tell the police to go fxxk themselves. Gone are the days when the coppers were the enforcers of law and order, nowa days they're just the enforcers of government policy. By this ban they (the government) are taking away a basic principal, that a person is innocent until proven guilty. This ban is in effect tarring everyone with the same brush. Treating all of you as criminals, I should include myself in that, I live in Ireland and what the UK does, we soon follow.

Post by Mark (Oct 5th 2007)

The police are just doing (or trying to do) their jobs that their bosses are telling them to do. They are not the real problem that you face in the UK. The persons that you need to talk to are your MP's as well as others in the pro-gun side. The fact is that even though you don't have the second amendment (like in the U.S.) to secure your firearms rights, you still have some voice in your version of the NRA. The NRA in the U.S. is politically powerful due to it's membership's voting power more than it's reliance upon the second amendment in our bill of rights. If the British NRA was stronger with millions of pissed-off-ex-firearms-owning-voting Britons then parliament might think twice before making more demands from their "subjects"
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