Post by BRMoore (Dec 24, 2007)

"It follows written warnings from senior firearms intelligence officers that new gun laws have failed to protect the public."

So now they have had their fun making new laws, time to get rid of it? lol if only
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Post by GZ22 (Jan 07, 2008)

Arrgghh!!!

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=82518&in_page_id=34&in_a_source=

Post by Doc

" including a stabbing " well how exactly is getting rid of deacts going to help that ...this is what happens when we let women in politics ...apologies if we have any female members .

DOC
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Post by Doc (Jan 14, 2008)

OK here is an update on import of modelguns since Oct.

As you may or may not know Im part of a large re-enactment group here in the UK , under this exemption I have imported some RIFS post Oct.

The first parcel was held up some 7 weeks while HMC poked about with them .
I was told this large delay was because they were "a bit understaffed" to cope (and I`d add the staff they do have ZERO knowledge on firearms so this does not help)
It appears there are almost no resident firearms experts there, so they have to wait until some chappie gets time to examine items.

After four weeks they contacted me to provide proof of my association with re-enactment and copies of my groups PLI etc ..this was easy to do as Im the secretary and chairman of the group now.
What was harder to do was send a response to another letter they sent me stating that they believed one of the items was an actual firearm and they requested date of manufacture and calibre etc.
Well, as we know these things are made to look realistic however several sheets of paperwork later including diagrams of how to disassemble etc convinced these people the item was ok but it took some doing .

I had suggested they send it to a forensic lab if unsure but they did point out that if they did it would be a very long time before it came back .

Anyhow long story short they finally shipped my groups items out to me..... but they must hire monkeys at HMC because everything looked as if it was re-wrapped by a primate and most of the protection was just yards of sellotape and then everything was just thrown together in one large box (they had mislaid the original bubble wrap and box)
needless to say a few items were damaged but it did all arrive so we can get members kitted out with stuff for this seasons shows.

I`ve just been on the phone to them about my latest parcel and once again they think one of the items is real and asked me to provide a firearms certificate for it so once again I am explaining where to look etc , ( Ironically I do have a firearms certificate for the gun this replica is a copy for )
In addition I have to supply full evidence of the purchase of these items inc postage costs so am really looking forward to that large VAT bill too
(yes they charge VAT on the shipping costs also)

One good thing to come out of it is that they do all know me down in Coventry now and this latest parcel has only been held up a few days so far

Out of all of this all I would say is that before anyone thinks of importing items , please ensure you have your evidence of legal reason to import at the ready and be prepared to provide proof that these are indeed not real . If you think in terms of explaining it to a checkout girl you`ll be about right .
(apologies if anyone knows checkout staff with college degrees)

DOC
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Post by Doc (Jan 22.2008)

Oh nice to hear the Met are having a four week amnesty so people can hand in their replica guns now ..... My God ...its going to make people think they are illegal somehow ...they even urge peoples relatives/friends to hand in someone's replicas as " every replica gun handed in will be one less off the streets" a mate on another forum did actually point out that by suggesting this the coppers are saying its ok to take peoples possesions without consent ...i.e theft ...

Ok to go to your local airsoft shop smash a window and nick a load of RIFs then ...provided you hand most to the cops (and keep one or two) then they will probably give you some award for public safety .

someone please stop the world as Id like to get off now .

DOC

Edit : here you go

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23433408-details/500%2C000+fake+guns+a+month+reach+Britain/article.do

bit irresponsible of that idiot blair to point a gun towards the press isnt it ...then again maybe not
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Post by Claymore

makes your blood boil doesnt it Doc, saw this on the news last night and wondered what they hell was going on as they made it sound as though the ownership of replicas was now illegal. Do you think that they may actually direct their efforts at the people who use guns for crime or just keep punishing the innocent.
Even with the vcr in place they are not happy what the hell else has to happen before they cant blame reps anymore the met commisoner dod not look happy or impressed though did he sort of looked like he was wondering what the hell he was doing there, does that say something i wonder

Post by Doc

Quite ironic he was there spouting about replicas considering the buck stopped with him regarding the murder of that poor Brazillian chap on the tube !

so let me get this right ... THEY dont want us to even own plastic replicas but THEY want the right to be able to shoot us on the spot if we look even a little bit shifty .......

Time for a revolution methinks .......someone bring madame guillotiene along

DOC
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Oh Christ...

This is how easy we could end up in bother. I employ a small number of people at my home. Being this disabled, as most of you know, I need these folks to be here all the time so they help me with my hobbies too, including my pfc model and airsoft guns.
I've just spent the last 1/2hour having to defend myself against one of them armed with a copy of the Daily Mail. Same article, 500,000 imitation firearms brought in etc etc...

Exactly as DOC and Claymore were saying, this individual read the article and immediately jumped to the conclusion that I possess a variety of illegal guns.

Reading through the article line by bloody line it was obvious that certain quotes had been forgotten... "Some of them sold on LEGALLY" for instance... but as was said, the conclusion reached after reading the article was that my house is full of illegal guns...

Panic's over now, at least with this one, but what happens tomorrow when another one comes in? It might be the same argument again, or worse, one of them might decide to take the fucking lot into the nearest Police Station and hand them over like a good citizen.

I pity the poor sod whose own mother handed his collection of 19 replicas over... I bet he could kill her for that.

Although I keep all of mine well out of sight, the couple I have as wallhangers in my own little office in my own home will have to be locked away from the gaze of people I invite into my home now too... just in case.

Christ Almighty, it didn't help that Commisioner bloody Blair had an UZI in his hands either, just the model I'm writing up these Guides on now!

Similar thing happened about a year ago. We were watching a program about the "Real Texas Chainsaw Massacre", some nutcase had been let off after spending some time on Death Row. He ended up over here in the UK, under an alias, married, respected, got into a gun club, got into business as a Real Steel Firearms Dealer... yes really...
Anyway he was rumbled eventually but the Police raided his house and found an amount of guns hidden about his house, including a functioning Thompson Sub Machine Gun...

Imagine the scene, this comes on the TV at the exact moment I've got my MGC Thompson in bits on the coffee table being cleaned...

You could have heard a pin drop...

Cerwyn
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Post by Spencerman (Feb 19, 2008)

I dont really know where I wanted to post this, so feel free to move it if need be, but being British, I somehow found this rather fitting for myself and the fellow Brits here. Whilst listening to Radio 2 the other day, they played a song by Cat Stevens (of all people, who would have thought it!) that I had never heard before (not being old enough and all that), called Im Gonna Get Me A Gun. Boy how I was toe tapping along with that one. For any of you who missed it, or some of you who wouldnt have perhaps had the opportunity to have seen it, here is a link for you all to enjoy:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T9dh6KlEv_I

It is somewhat catchy though, I warn you now, I was going aroung work for a few days singing Im Gonna Get Me A Gun, so god knows what the other people I work with must have thought, probably that I had a new model coming or something!
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Post by Spencerman

I was just wondering, as you do, what with all this vcr stuff about you are still allowed to buy replacement parts. How would that stand if, say you got a tm airsoft 1911, painted bright pink or whatever ludicrous colour the govt deems ok to have a gun now, and you want to change the slide and frame etc for a metal one. I know that technically you are able to do this and as such getting the parts is ok, but is it ok to import a set? If you were to get a barrel, slide and frame set, surely that looks exactly like a gun, as apart from all the internal gubbings that make it do anything, it is a whole gun. So, my question is how would this stand? Has anyone done it?
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Post by Doc (March 08, 2008)

if we are talking technically ...then you are technically taking a IF (imitation firearm) and converting it into a RIF (realisitc) .. this would be covered by the VCR act of " Manufacture " of a RIF .......... difficult for them to follow up on but possible and technically against the VCR unless you have a specific defense .

kinda like going over 70 on the motorway ...all well and good until you get caught


oooh nice the forum is back "on" by the way ..

DOC

EDIT : Im not condoning speeding BTW ....
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Post by Spencerman

Sorry, technically on the replacing/ordering parts being ok, not the if to rif part.
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Post by Doc

I think if you could prove the part you were importing was to replace a part on a weapon like for like ..i.e a realistic looking slide on a pre OCT owned RIF then you are covered ... if they thought you were importing a realistic looking part to replace a part on a brightly coloured gun then thats were the problems may start .
Like I say very difficult to follow up but technically possible and my view is that these ****ards will only require the slightest provocation to remove someone's collection .

HMC have various tactics they use to stop items getting through ...one is the description of goods and value ...if they can argue the description is not adequate they are entitled to keep the goods ..same goes for value .

Until a few test cases have been to court no-one really knows what the reaction is going to be .

Of course if you import the spare part brightly coloured then no probs

DOC
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