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PostSubject: MGC Thompson M1921 Problem?   Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:46 pm

Hi, First off...Im new here and was referred by The person who I recently purchased my new 1921. So, Hello everyone! Haha...Anyways, so Out the box, it worked great with the drum, then I tried with a 20 rnd mag and had 3 shot bursts,and feed problems and jams. I reloaded, and tried again with the drum, and is just doing bursts. Also, I noticed there seems to be a slight mushrooming at the top of the boltface that can be seen thru the top when you pull the bolt back...Any ideas?
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PostSubject: Re: MGC Thompson M1921 Problem?   Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:20 pm

Hello and Welcome to the Forums

Is your Thompson brand new or an older used one If it's an old one, the slight mushrooming you can see on the bolt face could be wear'n'tear. These bolts are cast zinc and will, unfortunately, wear out in time.

Consistent long burst firing relies on everything being set up perfectly. Unlike a real gun, these models are a bit more fussy.

First thing I learned was that after about 30 rounds, the detonator pin and chamber would need cleaning to remove the deposits left by the firing caps. If this isn't done, rounds start to stick in the chamber causing jamming.

Next thing is that you can get away with quickly dismantling a fired cartridge, reload it quickly with a new cap and fire again, but so much dirt builds up inside the cartridge friction makes the piston stick reducing blowback.

So, first job is to strip the cartridges, thoroughly clean them then re-load paying particular attention to lubricating the cartridge bore and 0-ring.
Please take a look at the relevant articles

http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/beginner-s-guides-tocartridges-f15/cleaning-and-preparing-fired-cartridges-t931.htm

http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/beginner-s-guides-tocartridges-f15/loading-mgc-type-cartridges-t924.htm

Next then is to remove the detonator chamber and give it a thorough cleaning.

If everything else is OK, you should see an improvement straight away. If the bolt is worn, you'll notice jamming happening as the fired cartridge drops off the bolt before being ejected, can you describe how your Thompson behaved as it stopped firing

Another tip is not to over tension the Drum spring. 5 or 6 clicks of the lever should be plenty.

Give that a try and let us know how you get on please We'll get it sorted one step at a time between us

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PostSubject: Re: MGC Thompson M1921 Problem?   Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:35 pm

Al -
Welcome - this is a great place for modelgunners.
With your gun being new, the bolt shouldn't be deformed enough to cause problems, however, repeated jams may accelerate the wear some.
I agree with Cerwyn, try cleaning the cartridges and give it another go.

As far as feeding, it is my belief that the drum magazine is more forgiving and operates with fewer feed issues because the cartridge is not staggered like the stick mag. Sometimes the mag lips on the stick mag may need to be adjusted to ensure smooth feeding.

Post often and let us know how you get along!

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PostSubject: Re: MGC Thompson M1921 Problem?   Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:09 pm

Cool, Ill try that...I noticed that when I reload, the piston /seal...would go in kinda tight. should the casing be oiled before re-using after cleaning?
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PostSubject: Re: MGC Thompson M1921 Problem?   Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:19 am

Yes, the cartridge definately needs some lubrication when you load it up. Silicone Grease, or Silicone Oil can be used sparingly. Make sure the cap doesn't get wet.
Don't use WD-40 as this can cause the 0-rings to swell and break eventually.

The tightness you mention can be caused by an air lock in the cartridge. As you load it, the piston's 0-ring can seal so well it traps the air inside. Try pushing the piston in a little further, if it pops back up again, it's almost certainly an air lock. Best way to expell the air is to remove the piston, and keep putting it back, until it seats properly.

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PostSubject: Re: MGC Thompson M1921 Problem?   Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:01 pm

Just to give you some idea what a new Zinc MGC Thompson boltface looks like compared to a badly worn example,

First off then, here's a photo of a well used and a new Zinc Bolt Face...




As you can see here the rim of the recess has been well and truly battered over...
Here's another Angle...




Damage like this is caused through wear and tear, every time the bolt moves forwards it hits the cartridge stripping it from the magazine, it then pushes the cartridge up into the chamber, slams it home to centre it in the Bolt Face Recess, Clip the Extractor Claw over the Rim and Fire it...
Any interferance during this process be it a miss feed, jam, whatever, is likely to leave its' mark on the soft Zinc.
This is how a cartridge is held secure in a New Bolt...




and...


Here's the same round in a worn out Bolt...




and again...


It's little wonder my Thompson wouldn't fire properly really is it looking at these!
The gun wouldn't extract and eject fired cartridges. Simple reason was the Cartridge would drop out of the Bolt before hitting the ejector, then dropping into the Breech and jamming the next attempt at loading.
Another thing I realised was that during automatic firing the bolt face strikes the magazine body after the last round has been fired. The bolt doesn't travel all the way forwards does it?
There were deep indendations in the bolt face that match the mag exactly.
It's a good idea to load the first cartridge you put into the mag with a dead cap.
That way the gun will strip the round out the mag and into the chamber but as it won't fire and blowback the bolt stays forwards and won't clout the mag body.


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