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PostSubject: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:34 am

Happy new year.

It is M92FS of A.C.G(AMERICAN COLLECTORS GROUP) obtained recently.
Has an overseas mania seen the actual thing?
The slide, the frame, and the barrel are made of HW. From the beginning to made of steel parts




Because the hole of the firing pin had not penetrated, the hole was produced and the firing pin was produced with the stainless steel open material though the breech-block was made of the zinc alloy.
The ejector has been exchanged made of MGC shape good.

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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Sun Jan 03, 2010 12:51 pm

This is a beautiful looking modelgun wataru.

I am not familiar with the American Collector's Group, was this M92 a dummy replica gun made by ACG

Have you converted their non-firing model into a Cap Firing PFC version

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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:07 pm

I have not heard of them either, altough I was thinking that apart from the firing pin that it looked like the MGC model. What does the barrel look like at the muzzle end? Also, does it have the serial number on the hammer?
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:41 pm

ACG-M92FS the base is made Marushin
Configuration is slightly different shapes and parts.
The magazine also marks Specified welding.


The fire must make clear the barrel and lockingblock problem.

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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:25 pm

Hi wataru,

This is very interesting model. I do not think that ACG is very known here. Nice work on conversion :-)
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:38 am

Thanks to Francky I have this ACG Beretta as well...this is a deluxe version of Marushin 's dummy M92FS made with heavier HW material (at least what I reckon). The relation between ACG and Marushin is similar to Lexus and Toyota...

No serial number on the hammer like the M9 for the US Army...as the serial number for Wataru san's gun is "CO745" - mine is "CO301"...



The "extractor" turned purple and mine's no exception (if there's an answer for it...) and also the notorious parting line usually on Marushin's M92 mags have been removed...but still "Marushin" is stamped on the side of the mag instead of ACG...





Original dummy firing pin (back portion movable like some GBB pistols):




And not to forget the blocked barrel...



The markings started to fade and I've to do something about it...




Finally a suggestion here: better not to convert it to fire as the HW material used here are close to MGC's SRHW series so no way it can withstand the slide actions...


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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:13 pm

Cerwyn,

As Watar mentioned, ACG is technically Marushin. But some of model, sold through not is regular modelgun store, but in regular magazine as a memorial model (i.e. Franklin Mint or something you would find in regular new paper selling as a memorial model, WWII, John Wayen....).

Jim.

I think that is due to the extractor is not made from zinc, but steel kind by investment casting (we say Roast Waxing). After a lapse of time, it turned to purple of mid dark brown. That happens to 1st version of Hudson Garand which uses many of this Roast Waxing parts.

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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:16 pm

Thank you both Wataru and Shazhib for your explanation of A.C.G.

This is the first example I have seen, but by coincidence I found another one on Yahoo Japan Auction site today

More information can be found on the Purple colouring of steel parts here:

http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/modelgun-general-discussion-f1/purple-steel-finish-t1765.htm?highlight=purple

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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:50 am

I can only says I hate the purple colour on the extractor (yes it's "extractor" I know - but why am I keep referring it as "ejector" when I type... scratch

And I hate the finerprint streaks on it as well - I've better swap it asap...
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:01 pm

Jim,

Will the fingerprint marks not polish out from the surface or has there been a permanent marking "etched" into the metal now

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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:30 am

It's etched (permanent - and quite deep as well) and I don't think I can buff it without having the entire extractor deformed...
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:09 am

Jim,

I just noticed that Wataru's example also has the same "fingerprint" marking on the extractor

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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:48 pm

I notice it as well...so now a question: why did this happen on a so-called "Deluxe" model? Puzzling isn't it...
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:10 pm

Is it a Fingerprint Could it be natural acids whatever in skin reacting with the heat treated finish on the extractor after handling by the factory assembly workers or is it a tooling mark of some description
It's difficult to tell for sure looking at both photo's but the marks look symetrical ... possibly too much to be human finger prints

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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:19 am

I think a giant's finger is needed to make such wide finger mark Very Happy ...
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:35 pm

I have the idea that it is markings from the milling process of the extractor or the milling of the mold for the cast part. I'm a tool and die maker by school and not trade, but to me it looks x-actly like those marks Smile
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:50 pm

I'm sure you're absolutely right there 2sharp. Milling marks from the die used to cast the extractor blanks would certainly explain why both extractors have almost identical marks.

I wonder if other Marushin Beretta M9 series models have this same marking

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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:03 pm

I've seen such marks on a recently produced Hudson Nanbu, except they are on a larger surface.
Definitely tooling marks, it's more obvious when you see more than extractor ;-)
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:06 am

I've several other Marushin Beretta pistols and none of it having these Milling Marks (i.e. plain smooth for others)...

Maybe this is what make this ACG M92FS special (like the misprinted banknotes/stamps)...
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:12 am

Thank you for being interested in ACG-M92F.

Sales were ended in a short term.
Two kinds (serial number A**** and C****) exist.
A hard case and the grip of a real gun had adhered to A****.

I was surprised because there was having ACG-M92F excluding Japan.
 

【 previous notice 】
Glock19 is being produced now.

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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:21 pm

Wataru san,

What you reckoned before is right (i.e. these ACG Berettas were limited to domestic sales only) because I'd only bought this off from Francky another Japanese member here a couple of years ago...and mine's serial number started with "C" therefore missing out on some extras...

So for the Glock 19 conversion you used the externals of KSC "G19" and the internals of Tanaka "Clock 19" (no spelling mistake Wink ) isn't it...if possible I think it's better to get the first batch of Glock 19 & 23C by Taiwan's KJ Works which carries authentic markings (saw it on Auction sometime ago - only the slide's in gold & the barrel blocked for pure blowback action)...
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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:35 am

jim san,

I have been indebted to Francky for part procurement, too.
ACG-M92F is valued also in Japan because it is scarce.

Because the thing of a formal stamp has gone out of KSC to limit, the slide of Glock19 is safe.
KJ and CA circulate, too.
It was possible to do by 90% now!

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PostSubject: Re: A.C.G P.BERETTA M92FS   Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:10 pm

So now you'd reminded me that KSC used to have the slides of their Glock 19 in "G19" but then when they later released the "Blued Slide" version (G19スライドディープブルー) it has the authentic markings again (as shown in your pic)!

But still...the markings on the right of the frame remains as "Mil Spec Standard" instead of "Made In Austria"...

Can't wait to see the end product!
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