MP40's Modelguns Forum

International Forum for Modelgun enthusiasts
 
HomeFAQRegisterLog in

Share | 
 

 MGC Sterling help

View previous topic View next topic Go down 
AuthorMessage
megamicrofish
Modelgun Enthusiast
Modelgun Enthusiast


Number of posts : 106
Location / Country : United Kingdom
Registration date : 2009-11-24

PostSubject: MGC Sterling help   Fri May 28, 2010 10:23 pm

Hi All
I have a MGC Sterling in really great condition but it has a few problems.
The folding stock does not stay under the barrel, anybody got a close up pic of the catch that I am obviously missing,
also the selecter switch is really loose and I'm not sure why ?
The bolt is also cut (but I can get a replacement)

I will post pics after my holiday next week

Thanks in advance for any help
Back to top Go down
View user profile
megamicrofish
Modelgun Enthusiast
Modelgun Enthusiast


Number of posts : 106
Location / Country : United Kingdom
Registration date : 2009-11-24

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Sat May 29, 2010 2:09 pm

I have managed to get the selector switch fixed
Back to top Go down
View user profile
smootik
Modelgun Perfectionist
Modelgun Perfectionist
avatar

Number of posts : 1783
Location / Country : Poland
Registration date : 2009-03-03

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Sat May 29, 2010 3:36 pm

How did you fix it?
Back to top Go down
View user profile
megamicrofish
Modelgun Enthusiast
Modelgun Enthusiast


Number of posts : 106
Location / Country : United Kingdom
Registration date : 2009-11-24

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Sat May 29, 2010 4:28 pm

Thanks to Cerwyn for posting the expanded diagram of the Sterling I managed to take the handle off I undid the screw holding the selector switch on and noticed it was not fully engaged into a slot, so pushed it in and tightend the screw and all was good.

I'm still not sure what to do with the stock though, I wonder if anybody has a spare or broken stock (tall order i know) that has the locking mechanism still attached ?


Last edited by megamicrofish on Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:46 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top Go down
View user profile
megamicrofish
Modelgun Enthusiast
Modelgun Enthusiast


Number of posts : 106
Location / Country : United Kingdom
Registration date : 2009-11-24

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:44 pm

OK here are pics as promised
First the good bits



Now the bad

Cut Chamber

Cut bolt

Missing clip


Blocked Barrel


So I really need some suggestions on what I can do to repair the bad bits, Any help or info would be greatly appreciated.

Does anybody know for instance if a real sterling folding stock would fit the MGC , Ken said the Ashai Sterling stock may fit ?

.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Cerwyn
Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Cerwyn (Site Admin)
avatar

Number of posts : 10709
Age : 58
Location / Country : North Wales
Registration date : 2008-07-20

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:31 am

Hi mega'

thanks for the photographs, the problems we've discussed are much clearer now.
Your Stirling certainly looks like a factory modfied Non-Firing version.

Your bolt's face has been ground to stop it feeding cartridges from the mag and holding the cartridge rim. This bolt problem is easily rectified by fitting a Zinc Alloy genuine MGC Sterling bolt from the cap firing version or a custom steel bolt.







The chamber is possibly more of a problem to resolve. That cut along it's length isn't present on the firing models. I'm trying to work out if the cut is likely to

a. not allow a detonator pin to seat in the chamber
b. affect blowback in any way

We need advice from our Stirling (and other modified MGC models here)

The photo of the blocked barrel didn't appear on my screen this morning but I'm guessing it looks like this

 

This is the plug once it's been removed


Once the plug is out, the Detonator Pin can be placed in the barrel in its' place


As for your stock's catch, we need advice from the other guys regarding fitting real or other parts. I will check through my manuals, there may be a drawing of the catch you need.

Till later,

_________________
Cerwyn

Hobby collector of Replica model guns and Militaria.
also member of Living History Reenactment Groups.


Last edited by Cerwyn on Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:07 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : images converted to servimg)
Back to top Go down
View user profile http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net
megamicrofish
Modelgun Enthusiast
Modelgun Enthusiast


Number of posts : 106
Location / Country : United Kingdom
Registration date : 2009-11-24

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:09 pm

Hi Cerwyn
There is no plug, (well not the one you showed) in the barrel
The barrel seems to have a solid block of steel machined into the end so will not allow any gasses to go down the barrel.
Not sure if this is normal or not ?
I am purchasing an asahi sterling stock off of Francky, I should be able to modify it to fit or at least use parts to repair mine.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Cerwyn
Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Cerwyn (Site Admin)
avatar

Number of posts : 10709
Age : 58
Location / Country : North Wales
Registration date : 2008-07-20

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:11 pm

Hi Mega,

If the solid plug in your barrel will allow a Detonator Pin to be fitted, you might still be able to fire caps. It's a big IF though and we definately need the advice of someone that knows what's possible now
Is it possible to modify one of MGC's Dummy Stirlings to fire The bolt could be swapped but can the Det. Chamber and Barrel be reworked to accept a Det. Pin and cycle cartridges Did MGC cut, drill, grind anything else to make conversion a definate No

Blocked barrels in models like MGC Thompsons still allow a Det. Chamber and Pin to be fitted. They fire a treat, all you lose out on is a smoking barrel.

Good luck with the Stock, let's hope that works

_________________
Cerwyn

Hobby collector of Replica model guns and Militaria.
also member of Living History Reenactment Groups.
Back to top Go down
View user profile http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net
Cerwyn
Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Cerwyn (Site Admin)
avatar

Number of posts : 10709
Age : 58
Location / Country : North Wales
Registration date : 2008-07-20

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:07 pm

I've been searching through the forums pages for more info...

I take it you've seen http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/modelgun-reviews-f4/mgc-sterling-c-1-t221.htm

these may be of some help

http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/modelgun-general-discussion-f1/mgc68-mp40-which-part-t879.htm

http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/modelgun-problems-f5/mgc-mp40-tips-on-removing-chamber-plug-t217.htm?highlight=mp40+convert+to+fire+caps

http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/modelgun-problems-f5/mgc-mp40-conversion-to-pfc-firing-t156.htm?highlight=mp40+convert+to+fire+caps

this one, however, may be worse news if the Stirlings AND MP40s were made the same way

http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/modelgun-general-discussion-f1/removing-pins-from-pinned-mgc-mp40-barrel-t610.htm?highlight=mp40+convert+to+fire+caps

_________________
Cerwyn

Hobby collector of Replica model guns and Militaria.
also member of Living History Reenactment Groups.
Back to top Go down
View user profile http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net
megamicrofish
Modelgun Enthusiast
Modelgun Enthusiast


Number of posts : 106
Location / Country : United Kingdom
Registration date : 2009-11-24

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:07 pm

Cerwyn wrote:


Good luck with the Stock, let's hope that works

Ordered the stock from Francky on the 8th and it arrived in the UK today (10th) hows that for service !

For future reference the Asahi sterling stock is an excact duplicate of the MGC part, right down to the tooling marks.
Only difference I can see is the colour (the Asahi looks more greeny grey than black)) and the metal does seem to be a bit softer.

I only swapped out the broken part any way and as I did so I noticed that there were a couple of spacers missing (either side of the spring) which could have constituted to the catch breaking in the first place
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Cerwyn
Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Cerwyn (Site Admin)
avatar

Number of posts : 10709
Age : 58
Location / Country : North Wales
Registration date : 2008-07-20

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:15 pm

Francky does it again His delivery times are always soooooo fast

Good news that Asahi stock fits ... he's also showing a MGC Sterling Barrel and Detonator Chamber in stock now. That could solve your cut chamber problem at a stroke

_________________
Cerwyn

Hobby collector of Replica model guns and Militaria.
also member of Living History Reenactment Groups.
Back to top Go down
View user profile http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net
megamicrofish
Modelgun Enthusiast
Modelgun Enthusiast


Number of posts : 106
Location / Country : United Kingdom
Registration date : 2009-11-24

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:25 pm

Yes, Thanks to you and Ken giving me the heads up on that this morning I contacted Francky and asked him to do me a deal on those and a detonator pin aswell Very Happy

So, nearly there Very Happy
Back to top Go down
View user profile
megamicrofish
Modelgun Enthusiast
Modelgun Enthusiast


Number of posts : 106
Location / Country : United Kingdom
Registration date : 2009-11-24

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:33 pm

Well the barrel, chamber and new detonator pin arrived today Very Happy

All fitted and looking good, only thing left to get is the bolt and PFC's which I cannot afford at the mo because I'm all spent out pale
Back to top Go down
View user profile
muzzleflash
Modelgun Enthusiast
Modelgun Enthusiast


Number of posts : 155
Age : 47
Location / Country : Northants, UK
Registration date : 2013-12-01

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:29 am

Hi,

New to this Forum and just wondered if you managed to get it firing??? I have the chance of buying a 'dummy' MGC Sterling (through my UKARA membership), but just wondered how easy it is to still get a bolt and chamber etc?? All the links on here appear to be dead now. I have a few GBB steel BB guns, AEG Airsoft's (you need those for UKARA ideally!) and Blank guns too (Forum won't allow me to post pics of those yet), but I'd like to increase my collection with an MGC Sterling. A dummy is ok for the price, but potential to fire PFC's a bigger plus!
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Cerwyn
Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Cerwyn (Site Admin)
avatar

Number of posts : 10709
Age : 58
Location / Country : North Wales
Registration date : 2008-07-20

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:58 am

Hi muzzleflash,

Welcome to the Forum Very Happy 
Finding original MGC Stirling chambers and bolts isn't going to be easy unfortunately. However, it is possible to make these parts using steel.
Detonator pins can also be made. Converting the Stirling to PFC firing is definitely worth doing Exclamation 

Which links are you having problems with please? If you could let me know I'll check them.

You'll be able to post photos on here seven days after registering as a new member. It's an anti-spam measure put in place by the host server and out of my control unfortunately.

_________________
Cerwyn

Hobby collector of Replica model guns and Militaria.
also member of Living History Reenactment Groups.
Back to top Go down
View user profile http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net
muzzleflash
Modelgun Enthusiast
Modelgun Enthusiast


Number of posts : 155
Age : 47
Location / Country : Northants, UK
Registration date : 2013-12-01

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:05 am

Cerwyn wrote:
Hi muzzleflash,

Welcome to the Forum Very Happy 
Finding original MGC Stirling chambers and bolts isn't going to be easy unfortunately. However, it is possible to make these parts using steel.
Detonator pins can also be made. Converting the Stirling to PFC firing is definitely worth doing Exclamation 

Which links are you having problems with please? If you could let me know I'll check them.

You'll be able to post photos on here seven days after registering as a new member. It's an anti-spam measure put in place by the host server and out of my control unfortunately.
Hello Cerwyn,

I would imagine making parts like that would involve a lot of heavy lathe work, which I don't have access to or the relevant skills to hand, or quite smply the time to execute. I'm a Truck Driver, so long hours etc. I may wait and see what Gunstar or Milweb throw up within the next few months. The going rate for a firing version is about £600-£800 I believe?? I'll sit on my cash for the time being and see what comes up. I did have a Marushin UZI up to about 7 years ago (I sold it for £120). What a pratt eh!!

Regarding the links in this thread, there were some 'clickies' reffering to a 'Francky' or some such similar. They just lead to an Ebay link now for a shampoo...or so I got!!
Back to top Go down
View user profile
smootik
Modelgun Perfectionist
Modelgun Perfectionist
avatar

Number of posts : 1783
Location / Country : Poland
Registration date : 2009-03-03

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:27 am

Francky moved out of Japan some time ago, and no longer trades modelguns as he did in the past.
He sometimes had spare parts available on Gunbroker.com, I am not sure if he still does.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Cerwyn
Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Cerwyn (Site Admin)
avatar

Number of posts : 10709
Age : 58
Location / Country : North Wales
Registration date : 2008-07-20

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:15 am

Hi 'flash,

There is a fair amount of lathe and milling work required to make a bolt and chamber. Depending on the price of a dummy version, it may be cheaper to buy a firing version.
www.mg-props.uk have one in stock now: 

As smootik says, Francky no longer has his modelgun business in Japan. I haven't checked gunbroker for some time but I have seen Francky's lists of gun accessories and various spare parts on Japan Yahoo Auctions recently. 
I'll have to work my way through the forum's pages and delete links to Francky's Japanese site. Thanks for letting me know Smile   

_________________
Cerwyn

Hobby collector of Replica model guns and Militaria.
also member of Living History Reenactment Groups.
Back to top Go down
View user profile http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net
muzzleflash
Modelgun Enthusiast
Modelgun Enthusiast


Number of posts : 155
Age : 47
Location / Country : Northants, UK
Registration date : 2013-12-01

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:00 pm

Hi Cerwyn - the price of the dummy was £350. That one on MG Props (some lovely stuff on there!) looks much better though and has obviously been well looked after. I think if it's still for sale in Jan, I might have a go. If I spend that sort of money before Xmas, my missus will have a pop. I could probably get away with the £350 for now, but £750 is pushing it a bit for now. I'm serious though, i want one. So I'll be sticking around!
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Cerwyn
Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Cerwyn (Site Admin)
avatar

Number of posts : 10709
Age : 58
Location / Country : North Wales
Registration date : 2008-07-20

PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:08 pm

Some images reposted

_________________
Cerwyn

Hobby collector of Replica model guns and Militaria.
also member of Living History Reenactment Groups.
Back to top Go down
View user profile http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net
Sponsored content




PostSubject: Re: MGC Sterling help   

Back to top Go down
 
MGC Sterling help
View previous topic View next topic Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» The REAL Scott Sterling...
» Sterling B2B charger
» Bayside Mustangs JPC Car show
» new junkyard!!!!!
» The International Open Wheel Association *Round 2 of Road Atlanta Posted*

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
MP40's Modelguns Forum :: Modelgun Problems-
Jump to: