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PostSubject: MGC M1921 Thompson   Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:17 pm

I've had this gun for 30 years and I'm trying to figure out more about it.

#1 How do it find out when it was made? On the barrel it has 'MODEL OF 1921 (below) NO.' -but no numbers after NO.

#2 I'm thinking about selling it. Should I clean it first? As a kid I played with this gun a lot. Other than some rust and the wood is faded it still cocks, fires and is in good condtion.

Any expert thoughts would help.
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PostSubject: Selling MGC 1921 Thompson Submachine Gun   Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:04 pm

This is my first post:

I've had this gun for 30 years. It's got some rust (mainly on one side of the drum) and the wood is faded, but I thought a real model gun enthusiast would clean it up better then me. Still in great condition and could look like new.

I wish I could find out when it was manufactured, but there's no serial number 'MODEL OF 1921 NO.'

Let me know if you're interested, as I'm still unsure how to ship it...or even except payment. I've tried to find a good price, but all the listings I've found are for new guns (mainly ebay). I don't know if it being older adds value or not?




It's a dummy version, with bolt and 2 allen screws.


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PostSubject: Re: Selling MGC 1921 Thompson Submachine Gun   Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:26 pm

Welcome to the forum Very Happy

MGC M1921 Modelguns were manufactured from the late 1960s up until the late 1990s I believe. There have been a few variants, all produced to comply with changing legislation.

First thing you need to determine is whether or not it's a Cap-Firing version or a Dummy only. Basically the Dummy version has a cut bolt and no Detonator Pin fitted in the chamber.

The earliest examples made have open, venting barrels. These will have 2 Allen screws holding the receivers together clearly visible from the top of the model. Be aware that the last of this type with 2 allen screws on top had blocked barrels though.

The first cap firing models used "Open" brass cartridges loaded with paper caps

Later versions have 2 slot head screws holding the receivers together screwing up from beneath, just ahead of the trigger guard. This type fired the more efficient closed cartridge, loaded with 7mm plastic bodied caps

Export models were also modified by the factory into non-cap firing dummys. All versions can be modified to fire these closed cartridges with new bolts, chambers and possibly a little Dremmel Work to casting ribs in the receiver.

Don't confuse your MGC Modelgun with the inferior Denix replicas that are flooding e-Bay at present. The MGC model is a much better and superior model.

For more information, see http://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/f18-mgc-thompson and please don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions

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PostSubject: Selling MGC 1921 Thompson Submachine Gun   Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:31 pm

I wish I knew when the gun was manufactured. I got it as a kid 30 years ago. The wood is faded and there's some rust, on the drum mainly, but in great condition. Still fires and all the pieces work (scope, etc). Could look like new with a cleaning from someone who knows what they're doing.

I don't know if the age of the gun hurts or helps, but I was thinking around $300USD.

I tried to post some pictures by 'host an image', but don't see them. With some instruction, I'd like to attach a few pictures.
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PostSubject: Re: Selling MGC 1921 Thompson Submachine Gun   Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:39 pm

Try this post for Photo Posting instructions...
There may be a number stamped underneath the upper receiver, look where the Detonator Chamber retaining screw fits, is there a number there? That could well determine Month and Year of manufacture

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PostSubject: Re: Selling MGC 1921 Thompson Submachine Gun   Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:02 pm

I don't see a number.
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PostSubject: Re: Selling MGC 1921 Thompson Submachine Gun   Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:00 am

Hi. No number/date stamp means it is an early version. Is there a screw there in front of where the drum mag slides in? If not, it is most likely a dummy that was imported through Collector's Armoury or a similar retailer. As stated above, these models were "deactivated". They can be made to fire, but parts have to be purchased. Namely a bolt, chamber, spring buffer and chamber retaining screw. Does your mag wind up? If not, it may not have any internals and may be a dummy, also. The drum mags are hard to come by and adds value if it is not a dummy. MGC tommy guns are great models. Usually strong and reliable firing models.
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PostSubject: Re: Selling MGC 1921 Thompson Submachine Gun   Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:58 pm

There is no screw by the drum. The drum mag just spins, so it must be hollow.

Does the age help or hinder the value? Also, should I clean it, or try to sell it as is? It's a solid piece of equipment...it's built well.
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PostSubject: Re: Selling MGC 1921 Thompson Submachine Gun   Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:08 am

It may be not worth returning it to a firing model due to the cost, even if you can. It depends on how the barrel/chamber area is blocked and if it can be freed. The parts are becoming scarce and more expensive in the US - but we have friends of the forum in Japan and the UK that can help you out if you decide to go that route.
Some collectors appreciate the older models, as I do, but only as a firing model due to the open barrel design. Value is in the eye of the beholder, I believe.

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