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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:59 pm

Post by Spencerman

When you say they are a bit long and you shortened them by 1mm, where? Inside on the spacer or on the actual cartridge itself?
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:59 pm

Post by 8ace

I sanded the bottom edge of the top half of the main cartridge body (where the two half’s join), which has shortened the total length of the cartridge (hope that makes sense)
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:00 pm

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So you shortened the "bullet"?
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:01 pm

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Yep the copper coloured part
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:01 pm

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Yes, I suppose that would work just as well as any other method of shortening the overall length.
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:02 pm

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That is great, now how about the 9mm ones?
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:02 pm

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That is great, now how about the 9mm ones?

Is that to fit the M9?
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:03 pm

Post by Spencerman

Maybe. Or the Glock, or any of the Wa Shan 9mm guns. I know that one of the things that seems to put people off these is the shells, or lack of availability of, but if they are easy to use other makes of 9mm, then I am sure they will become VERY popular indeed.
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:04 pm

Post by Mark

I am at least reasonably sure that the WaShan modelguns where patterned off of MGC models in the past. So, I think that their cartridges also are copies of the original MGC cartridges in as much as the general dimensions are concerned. For some reason, the WaShan cartridges are shorter due to some diamensional changes over time?
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:04 pm

Post by 8ace

Spencerman
It was claymore's recommendation for the MGC SIG P220 cartridges for the Wa Shan M9 that made me buy them, and they are fantastic straight out of the box. I'm getting the Wa shan M84 soon and I’ll see which work best in it.

Mark
The .45 cartridge does resemble the old style MGC cartridge dimensions and the 9mm matches the MGC SIG cartridges exactly but the internals look like the Marushin design
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:05 pm

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Seeing as we're discussing old style mgc colt cartridges- is the only part I need to replace to convert my old style mgc colt to fire the new style .45 cartridges a new barrel? Cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:05 pm

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Rizzo,

I think that you need the slide, barrel, magazine etc. as the later "real look" .45 MGC cartridges are larger in diameter...
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:06 pm

Post by rizzo

Hmm... you could be right, although the newer barrels are the same out diameter as the older type, it's just the 'chamber' part which is smaller. And I have been able to fit deactivated .45 bullets into my mag before, so I assume it will fit the newer type too. I was thinking more the mech in the frame, could that be different?
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:07 pm

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The magazine feed lips might vary somewhat as they might be wider that the old magazine. But, I don't know as I don't have any late model MGC .45's that use the "Real Look" .45 cartridges.
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:07 pm

Post by gavin

do wa shan not sell spares would that not be easier
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:08 pm

Post by korppi

I'm making an order from franky's shortly and I want to be sure what to buy.

So for .45 the shorter MGC .45 CP-HW are the right choise?

And for 9mm (or the rest?) Wa shangs the MGC sig P220 CP-HW?

Would somebody with broader experiense with WS guns care to make list of cartiges which fit each WS gun and then admin could make it a stikytopic? Reading this 40 answer long topic with different opions confuses more or less. Such topics from other guns and makers would surely be helpfull for beginners.
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:08 pm

Post by Claymore

Yes the sig p220 rounds work great in the 9mm wa shan, the smaller older rounds of mgc 45 do fit but not perfectly they are la little long and the slide does not go fully home (well at least on mine) this did not sti=op it from working though and they are the only round that come close to fitting that i have found. It could be you just need to take a little off the det pin for the round to fit right 1mm maybe but i cannot say for certain as i have not checked.
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:09 pm

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Thank you for a quick reply! Now I'm sure what to buy and the topic is summarized in your answer
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:10 pm

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I'm using the older two tone MGC .45 rounds in my Wa Shan Colt but they are a bit long (gap between the barrel/slide) so i used some 600grit paper to remove about 1mm from the threaded end of the bullet part which allows the barrel to stop against the slide.

Works a treat.

And yes i'm using the MGC P220 in my Wa Shan M9
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:10 pm

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good idea i will give that a go
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:11 pm

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I have got some Wa Shan M9 and Colt .45 cartridges that came with my guns for sale if anybody is interested as I use and prefer MGC rounds.
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:11 pm

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how much? i use the 220 myself but would be happy to pick up original rounds as well and i was able to get extra rounds for the 45 so a few more would not hurt
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan .45 Auto Cartridges   Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:12 pm

Post by 8ace

I have

6x 9mm
7x .45

they are used but not much.

How about £1 each + shipping
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