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PostSubject: MGC MP40 No4461   Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:59 am

Good morning,



I'm new to this forum, so I'll introduce myself. I'm Nathan and I'm 20yo from Kent, UK. I'm looking to sell my MP40 set as below as I'm looking to purchase a Shoei MP43 for my impression.

Features telescopic spring and pressed steel receiver as original. Fitted with new History Arms one piece Bakelite furniture & pistol grips. Comes with ATF pouches and sling, both 1943 dated. Original loading tool dated 1943 and original Kur 43 magazine. Also X5 MGC mags and 39 inert steel case 9mm rounds for display. £900. Postage can be arranged in England, Wales and Scotland. Pick up from Kent or a show I attend. VCR Act Applies

Photo of the set can be seen on Milweb.

If you're interested please don't hesitate to shoot me a message.

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Nathan


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PostSubject: Re: MGC MP40 No4461   Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:00 am

Hi Nathan

Welcome to the Forum  Very Happy 
Is your MGC MP40 in cap firing order or is it a dummy model only please?

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PostSubject: Re: MGC MP40 No4461   Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:21 pm

Good afternoon,

I believe it's cap firing but I'm not certain. How can I determine?

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PostSubject: Re: MGC MP40 No4461   Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:07 pm

Hi Nathan,

Non Cap Firing models had their bolt faces ground away like this


The receiver would be drilled just in front of the magazine well, one hole each side going through into the chamber. Some versions had a hole drilled through the barrel nut too.

Chambers / Trunnions can be slotted along their length.

The receivers are plugged to prevent fitting a Detonator Pin which is essential to fire PFC or CP cap loaded cartridges. The Detonator Pin locates in the chamber, facing backwards towards the bolt.

If you'd like, perhaps you could post up some photos of your '40 stripped, that would make it easy to identify as a cap-firer or otherwise. 

I hope this helps.  

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PostSubject: Re: MGC MP40 No4461   Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:10 pm

Good afternoon,

I've exchanged several emails with Cerwyn and determined it is a cap firing model gun. Just missing the detonator pin.

Asking price is £820 posted to the mainland. I'd like to draw attention to the extras that are included with the gun.  Including new History Arms one piece Bakelite furniture & pistol grips. ATF pouches and sling, both 1943 dated. Original loading tool dated 1943 and original Kur 43 magazine. Also X5 MGC mags and 39 inert steel case 9mm rounds for display. These accessories cost £439 plus shipping costs to put together. The gun originally cost £550. £820 posted is a bargain.  Cool 

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PostSubject: Re: MGC MP40 No4461   Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:47 pm

Here are photos of the bolt that landsersoldat sent me. It looks like it's immaculate and unfired.




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PostSubject: Re: MGC MP40 No4461   Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:49 pm

Is that bolt made of steel?? When they convert these to 9mm Winmag, is the bolt retained or completely replaced with a new one??? I've often wondered..
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PostSubject: Re: MGC MP40 No4461   Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:19 pm

Hi muzzeflash,

The standard MGC MP40 bolts are cast zinc alloy.

Blankfire converted MGCs must have steel bolts made as well as a host of other stregthening work done to cope with the immense pressures created by ignited blank rounds. A zinc bolt would fall apart under that pressure.

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PostSubject: Re: MGC MP40 No4461   Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:36 am

Cerwyn wrote:
Hi muzzeflash,

The standard MGC MP40 bolts are cast zinc alloy.

Blankfire converted MGCs must have steel bolts made as well as a host of other stregthening work done to cope with the immense pressures created by ignited blank rounds. A zinc bolt would fall apart under that pressure.

I know the rear receiver is strengthened to stop it 'blowing out'; though I wasn't sure what was steel and what wasn't on an early MGC; as I understood much of the gun is steel. I know these are still converted and their have been a few for sale recently (Milweb etc) that have had it done. Illegal to fire though I would imagine outside of 'Re-enactement'??
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PostSubject: Re: MGC MP40 No4461   Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:53 am

Hi muzzleflash

Basically the MGC68 MP40 has steel Lower and Upper Receiver, steel Magazine Well, steel Recoil Tubes, muzzle nut and a steel stock. The pressed steel receivers are thin gauge material, nominally 1.27mm / 1.35mm thick. 
Barrel, Barrel Nut, Chamber / Trunnion, Bolt and Sear are made of cast Zinc Alloy


   

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