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PostSubject: MadMax with CAW cartridges   Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:16 am

Thought some of you might  be interested in the new CAW cartridges available for the MadMax.  These are the brass carts that hold SEVEN 7mm caps each!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice flash and bang!  See for yourself:
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PostSubject: Re: MadMax with CAW cartridges   Sat Mar 14, 2015 9:49 am

Looks and sounds good but 7 caps! thats going to be expensive to fire
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PostSubject: Re: MadMax with CAW cartridges   Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:35 pm

Impressive Very Happy

I wonder if CAW have cartridges that are suitable for MGC M31 Pump Action Shotguns Question
That sort of sound and flash would transform one of those.
7 caps each shot would be expensive, but I've been known to regularly fire 100-120 caps with SMGs in a session.
Is there any information about these CAW cartridges anywhere please Question

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PostSubject: Re: MadMax with CAW cartridges   Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:23 pm

Yes - 7 caps each time you pull the trigger.  Does seem a bit excessive, but as Cerwyn has said - I too have  been known to go through a box of caps quite quickly on an "auto-firing day"!
Makes you wonder how they came up with 7 as the magic number?

These cartridges are quite interesting compared to the typical MadMax shell. These look more like a giant version of CAW's triple-cap carts for the SAA pistol.  They are made almost exclusively of brass, with the exception of the "primer".  They have an internal firing pin and do not use the MadMax's detonators. Heavy brass construction is probably a good idea to contain the pressures of 7 caps igniting simultaneously.

They do not look realistic because of this construction, and are VERY HEAVY!  However, for the final effect, I think they are worth it.  Loading the seven caps (all in a line, one on top of the other) is fairly easy and straight forward.  Unloading the spent caps I found to be kind of a pain, but again, worth it in my opinion.

Unfortunately, mostly due to weight and design, they seem to be suited for the manual action of the MadMax, but a similar design for a M31 pump action probably wouldn't seem practical.

I believe they were designed to be able to just drop right in a MadMax, but I decided to remove my detonators to try them.  My thinking was that this would provide a cleaner, straighter shot for the flame effect.  It also makes it easier to clean the barrels after firing.

I got my CAW carts from our friend Shaz.  If you guys want a pic or two, let me know and I'll post some up soon.
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PostSubject: Re: MadMax with CAW cartridges   Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:49 pm

Some photos and details of these cartridges would be very welcome additions to our Cartridge Library please ljerr Very Happy

Thanks in advance,  

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PostSubject: Re: MadMax with CAW cartridges   Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:31 pm

Here is some more info on the CAW MadMax brass carts.

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Here you can see the brass cartridges compared to the Hudson cartridge.  Also pictured is the cap loading and unloading tool.  It is easy to note that the brass rim is significantly thicker than the typical cartridge dimension,  however, they both sit in the barrels to the same depth since the Hudson cart is initially held out slightly due to the contact of the caps and detonators.  The brass cartridge has a recess in the end to fit over the 3-prong detonators.  Each unloaded cartridge weighs in at a hefty 108g or 3.8oz.

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Here is the illustration that comes with the cartridges to help explain the loading procedure.
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PostSubject: Re: MadMax with CAW cartridges   Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:52 pm

Wooow, that's quite a developement!
I'd love to try those, even if this means going through caps at an alarming rate ;-)
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PostSubject: Re: MadMax with CAW cartridges   Fri May 29, 2015 4:00 pm

Having had the pleasure of seeing and hearing these cartridges being fired, the video doesn't really portray just how impressive these are !


Volume of noise is really LOUD, but not enough to scare neighbours Wink John's found that 8 caps actually work better than 7
Flash from Real Flame caps is really impressive but add a very small amount of Mg Prop powder into each cartridge and the Flash is really bright and intense.


Very impressive cheers    

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PostSubject: Re: MadMax with CAW cartridges   Sat May 30, 2015 8:03 pm

Cerwyn is right - my video doesn't do the carts justice. Lots of caps, but a really great effect! Plenty of opportunity to add powder, too if you choose!

I've got a new camera now, though! Hope to have better quality images and videos now for future shots!

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PostSubject: caw mad max   Sat May 30, 2015 9:24 pm

So... where to buy?
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PostSubject: Re: MadMax with CAW cartridges   Sun May 31, 2015 9:20 am

huwreynolds wrote:
So... where to buy?
Hi Huw,


Give John at www.plugfirecapgunsuk.com a call. He can sort you out with these cartridges  Very Happy

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PostSubject: Mad max carts   Sun May 31, 2015 4:04 pm

Hi all, Cerwyn in particular,
I've a mad max type sawn off, but it takes real shotgun carts with the middle drilled out to fit the CAW 45 carts. Just wondering if the new CAW ones would fit? Is this cart setup normal?
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PostSubject: Re: MadMax with CAW cartridges   Sun May 31, 2015 4:42 pm

Hi Huw,


There's a good chance they might work for you. The CAW multi-cap shotgun carts use a Centre Fire system with internal cap ignition. 
They don't need detonator pins mounted in the barrel facing the nose of the cartridge.


Send JohnnyV a message here, or at www.plugfirecapgunsuk.com for confirmation.


Till later Huw 

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