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PostSubject: CAW and MGC M11's   Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:09 pm

The new CAW M11, this one is firing C-Tec mild kick M11 rounds which work real well, they are CP rounds and have a hole through the middle of the piston plug so you ge more of a flash. The C-Tec take 7mm caps which s a lot better than fiddling with the 5mm, flash would be ven better with marushin caps. As son as i can take a decent pic of the inner piston i †will put it up.
The CAW works really well not one misfeed.


The MGC is firing Marushin M84 and they work Ok but i had feed jams with them and you cannot get that many rounds in †as they are a lot larger than normal M11rounds



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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:45 pm

Thanks for sharing this!
I wasn't even aware there was a C-Tec mild kick cartridge available for the M11.
Are they less damaging to your bolt? I remember before you said you had issues with CP carts damaging your bolt in quick order before.

I've got my hands on one of the CAW M11's but haven't fired it yet. Waiting on getting some carts for it. I had originally thought I'd use the TanioKoba Easy CP rounds in it like I have in my MGC M11, but maybe you've noticed by now that isn't possible! CAW modified the bolt and barrel so that you cannot just swap out deto pins with an MGC version.

I may end up modifying an easy CP deto to work in the CAW, but it also appears I may have to modify the extractor, as well since the EasyCP cart doesn't have as big a relief near the base/rim as the original CAW cartridge.

Instead of doing those mods, maybe I'll give those C-Tec mild kick carts a go.


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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:49 pm

I came across the C-tec rounds after searching for more info on the caw m11 and the fact you could use 7mm caps, when i found them i asked shaz if he could get any for me, which he did.
I have not fired a CP m11 round for a long long time so from memory i think the C-tecs are not as harsh on the bolt. The fact that there is a hole through the middle has got to reduce the power, i know Hudson piston plugs with the holes in the middle dont produce enough power to blow the bolt back.
After 4 mags of 16 rounds the bolt was fine and with the old cp rounds if a bolt lasted 2 mags i was lucky, so i assume they have improved bolt strength.

One thing that does worry me is the chamber, its very thin plastic,the old MGC chamber is much thicker and stronger i would think, the thin plastic makes me wonder if it will last, that said it looks fine at the moment.
One other thing the piston not only has a hole in it but it has a cup on the end (pic to come), at first thought you would think it was putting a 5mm cap in but the hole that would then be blocked, so possibly it either focuses the flash or further dispersed the power.

I think the new mgc site now shows these c-tec round for sale, but i get mine thought shaz. These c-tec rounds worked very well for me and i have bought more.
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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:22 pm

Are those carts aluminum?
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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:22 am

brass as far as i can tell, pics below.











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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:26 pm

Thanks for this post & vids Clay'. I wasn't aware that CAW had released the MAC11 yet!
I knew they were working on one but didn't know they're available already.


How do prices work out for these?

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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:41 pm

Cerwyn,the rounds are 4,800 yen per pack of 8, the M11 itself around 30,000 yen
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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:49 pm

How do you like the new CAW M11 compared to your older MGC M11????
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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:16 am

Oh man! thats a hard one the CAW is an MGC, better markings on the CAW but it seems to be made of the same HW plastic as the old MGC.
It fires great and the bolt seems good so for that alone i have to say the CAW wins, but when i use open rounds with the MGC it works really well.
At the end of the day the CAW just wins as i think (so far at least) firing performance is much better and thats what we all want,
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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:39 pm

Interesting. CAW made a point to change the bolt face for a reason. They must have figured it increased durability or performance. Perhaps both?
Anyway, did you happen to try the Ctec rounds in the MGC?
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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:25 pm

As yet i have not tried the c- tec rounds in the MGC but i will. CAW normally do make the exact improvement the models need to make them not only function correctly but also make them stronger. As i said before though, i am a bit worried the chamber may prove to be a weak point as it seems very thin plastic.
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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:47 pm

Looking forward to hearing how those Ctec rounds work in the MGC.
Might have to get some coming my way.

Can you post up a pic of the thinner chamber area you mention on the CAW? I didn't notice any difference between the two models. confused

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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:44 pm

be a couple of weeks before i can get a pic posted, but my CAW chamber is definitely thinner than the old MGC one
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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:47 pm

Claymore, where did you buy yours ? How much ?
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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:35 am

I got mine through shazib on this forum, cost was just over 30,000 yen around (ish) the £200 mark on today's exchange rate
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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:50 am

And what about custom taxes ?
Did you pay it ?
I'm hesitating... would love to have it it my collection Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:35 am

No did not get caught for customs charge this time but you will have to add shipping cost
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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:30 pm

ljerr2, mate you are right on the CAW chamber being no thinner than the old MGC one, its just made out of different plastic so seemed lighter and thinner but its the same, so thats good. Also tried the CAW chamber in the MGC and it fits fine so if we can get any spares for the CAW (and thats probably a big if) that would be good for any one who wants spares for now or the future for old MGC models.
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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:16 pm

claymore - thanks for the update on that issue. Did you notice the interior specifications of the chamber/inner barrel are different (deto spacing is much different)? So far I've found that the parts that are different between the MGC and CAW are the bolt and the chamber/inner barrel (and deto). CAW modified the bolt by creating a deeper recess and allowing for a lower lip, whereas the MGC bolt face is just flat. If you swap one part, you will most likely have to swap both. I think it would work if you did it that way.
Curious - have you had a chance to try those CTec carts in your MGC? I'm itching to find out!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:01 pm

Ok ljerr2 you can scratch that itch Smile , tried the c-tec rounds in the MGC and they worked fine, bolt goes fully home and fired and ejected fine which is good news
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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:21 pm

Thanks claymore!!! Good to know! Going to have to get some of those carts coming my way in the near future!
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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:19 am

Keeping this thread going, I thought I'd share my experience with the new CAW M11.

I am fond of the Tanio Koba EasyCP rounds, so I decided to give them a go in my new CAW M11. †The trouble is, I don't know if Tanio Koba makes an EasyCP deto for the CAW, yet. †The detonator dimensions are different from the MGC. †Regardless, I took one of the detos for a MGC and modified it (basically shortened it) to fit in the CAW.

The results were very good. †I tried 30 rounds. †The first 10 went off perfectly. †The video below is the 20 round mag load. †My final round failed to eject. †Not sure why, but I'll look into it. †So, besides the one FTE, it worked perfectly! †

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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:10 am

Nice work ljerr2, i am surprised that the det pin for the CAW is different than the MGC as the CAW seems the same in every other way but as we know anything on a modelgun only needs to be a micron out to cause problems.
My only problem with tanio rounds is availability, he has brought out so many different rounds but then stopped producing them which is a pain in the butt. For instance the P220 ones he produced only lasted for a short while which was very annoying and it makes me wonder what will happen to the easy cp rounds.
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PostSubject: Re: CAW and MGC M11's   Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:23 pm

Here's a picture of the detos for comparison, left to right:
1. CAW deto
2. MGC CP-HW deto
3. Tanio Koba EasyCP deto for MGC (unmodified)




Carts and parts availability have always been a demon for me! †I can't have a great model and not fire it!!!!!
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