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PostSubject: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:10 am

Post by 8ace (Nov 1, 2007)

Sorry to announce this guys but.....

I have stopped making model gun spares; in fact I will be giving up model guns completely.

I have been trying to get information from the authorities about RIF's and making spare parts for them to make sure this is 100% legal after the VCR act was implemented, but I haven't been able to get anything that gives me verification or guidance on this matter.

So i have some choices.

1: Keep my model guns and get rid of the lathe/mill
2: Keep both and carry on
3: Get rid of the model guns and keep the lathe/mill


I have decided on keeping the equipment and get rid of my guns (which was a very hard one) but Iím unable to deal with the thought that one day the door will be kicked down by armed police and then find out that making steel spares is in fact illegal.

Now I have to sort out how I get rid of my models.


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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:11 am

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C'mon 'ace, don't let the Bastards grind you down.

You've 2 perfectly legal hobbies there,

Model gun ownership

Owning a lathe and miller

If making spare parts for your models could be illegal, still unclear really, wouldn't just stopping making spares be an option? You can still keep your models and lathe surely mate?

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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:11 am

Post by 2sharp

Damn sorry to hear this, but i perfectly understand your decision.

If i might suggest something i think you might want to hold on somewhat longer and try to find an answer, maybe try with one of your local politicans?

It really sucks that it should come to this with this innocent, and fun, hobby..
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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:12 am

Post by Mark

8ace has the same basic problem that i have here in the U.S. You see, i have the same quandary only two fold....I have real firearms as well. Our ATFE as well as our other law enforcement agencies don't really care what our intentions are or where they just are doing what they are told.

Making firearms is legal here in the U.S. as long as you do not sell your creations and your home-made firearm follows current federal/state laws.
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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:13 am

Post by 8ace

I feel well and truly ground down, and your right both hobbies are legal but in the current climate LATHE+GUN=NUTTER.

I did email my local MP on 2 occasions but I received no reply, not that Iím surprised as he seems to busy with national/international policy rather than local constituency issues also he tow's the labour party line (and guns arenít a vote winner).

Iím also angry with myself for not having the balls to make a stand but without clear black and white guidelines I feel on rocky ground.
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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:14 am

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I can truely understand you, 8ace! And don't worry, nobody will think of you as a coward. I see the risk you may be taking, and it may not be worth it, especially with such a vague leagal situation. It is a hobby and it is not worth that this may risk your sheltered life.

I would recommend you keep your models and the mill/lathe, but stop making modelgun parts. I think it is a sound decision to stop making spare parts for other people, it is just too high profile and authorities may beon the look for someone doing that.

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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:14 am

Post by kickback

Hi Mate,

Well 8ace i think everyone has already covered how we feel about you giving up making our spares and as a person who purchased a few excellent made bolts from yourself i will definately miss them,but as i have also been lucky enough to meet you and sort of know the person you are i totally understand your perdicament (i think thats right ) but i would like to say a big THANK YOU for all you have done for me and others on this forum and even if you do decide to give up modelguns altogether ( first dibs ) please stay in contact on this forum and off as you will be missed.
Again thanks for all your help

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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:15 am

Post by GZ22

8ace - please don't let the system defeat you - the law is only in place to punish those who break it intentionally - giving up your model guns is like giving up your hope - I know exactly how you feel - but rest assured - I think that keeping your models, and not making any parts for anyone is the way forward. I mean - how on earth would you dispose of your model guns anyway? The VCRA makes the sale, and transfer of them illegal.

Please reconsider your options on this matter - but whatever you decide to do - we are always here for you mate.

Chin up old boy!

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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:29 am

Post by 8ace

Cheers guys,

As it has been said before this is one of the nicest forums i have had the pleasure to be a member of AND still will continue to be.

As for getting rid of my models there are several ways.

1: Not sure if i can sell them to re-enactors (even if im not one myself)
2: Sell them as parts
3: Paint them yellow and sell them cheap
4: Export them
5: Destroy them (Last resort)

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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:29 am

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rom the way that I understand it you can sell them to reenactors or sell them to abroad without having to be or do anything special yourself, just making sure that the person is a reenactor or that the gun complies with the law of where you are sending it, ie: orange tip etc.

I am not too sure about painting it bright blue or something and selling it as a non rif!

You are allowed to break them down and sell them as parts to anyone that you wish to sell them to, and I for one am more than happy to do you a deal on loads of different parts for a specific model gun for a set total amount!

There is definately no point destroying them, as even if you just broke them up and sold them away cheap as parts it is better than destroying them, or bury them somewhere and hope for a change in the law, but definately dont destroy them.
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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:30 am

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Could you not find a friend on this board who lived locally and just let him store your replicas for you?
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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:31 am

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Nope destroying them would be a stupid and rash decision

I did think of storage but if I donít have them here to play with it seemed little point.

Perhaps in the future I might join a re-enactor group and get some more models

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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:32 am

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8ace wrote:
making steel spares

I think that might be the only problem, being made from a tough metal, wouldn't they be able to be transferred to a real firearm if made from steel? Far as I was aware nothing in model guns is steel?
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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:33 am

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I think that most of the major parts in modelguns won't fit. And altough they are realistic i find that there are always some details that aren't true to rs guns.

It seems some smaller parts fit, triggers, hammers etc. but things like slides, frames and bolts doesn't?

I do think Mark would have a few ideas on this topic

Maybe if you consider making something make sure that the modelgun part you're making doesn't have the same dimensions as the rs part?
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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:33 am

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I also think that you will find that just becasue a part is made of steel doesnt mean that it would therefor be strong enough to withstand the tensions put on it in a firearm. There are different grades of steel, I am sure, and it would probably need to be hardened etc for a major part like that. Not that it wouldnt maybe fire a few rounds, and not that anyone is not capable of making it to that sort of standard, but you can also buy knives made of plastic that are capable of penetrating through a car door and are virtually undetectable by scanners, yet we dont worry about getting plastic things just in case someone turns it into a knife.
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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:34 am

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I'm almost sure that most if not all important modelgun parts wont fit into real ones as the Japanese have spent the last 40 years trying to make sure.

As with a lot of guns they have some kind of bolt/breech locking mechanism which would make spare parts (even if they are made from a stronger material) still incapable from conversion plus the springs, receivers and slides, WHICH MAKES THEM GREAT FOR GENERAL OWNERSHIP (sorry for the caps) and its a shame that they are lumped in with other replica firearms

Yes I have given up modelgun custom spares and modelgun ownership but I havenít given up modelguns or this forum as love modelguns andÖÖ. I love you guys......come on group hug.
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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:35 am

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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:36 am

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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:36 am

Awww shucks 'ace, go on then... group Hug it is...

But come any closer and I'll shoot you...

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PostSubject: Re: 8ace's Modelgun Spares Sevice is now Closed   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:36 am

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Well, I'm not usually into hugging other guys, unless they are family..........but, heck, I guess we are kind of family here.........

But I'm with Cerwyn, any more than that and somebody's getting shot.........
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