New Limited MGC M4A1 Carbine/Commando Production Run?

Post by MadMike

www.modelguns.co.uk announce that they are awaiting a limited new production of MGC M4A1 Carbines and Commandos. Does anyone know if MGC is producing them again? That would be great news and we could hope that MGC is reproducing other models. Anyway I think it is possible that modelguns just get old stocks and swap parts. Someone on the forum bought a Commando, but it came with the standard carry handle, not the sawn off version as well as in a "R.I.S. version" box ...
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Post by shazhib



Madmike,

Seems MGC will sell M4A1 in mid October. But I think this would be a limited number production rathan than regular production base.

S

Post by MadMike

Shazhib, that´s good news. Thank you! So MGC is still in business. And they must have at least some of their molds ...
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Post by Doc

probably making some guns up out of spares they have left ...big job to suddenly make all these parts once again.

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Post by MadMike

Precisely what I thought! You can´t pull out your old molds and a sack of plastic HW granules and start casting a few modelguns I´d say. Anyway I am quite sure that MGC was a very small company, and their models always were low volume production runs.

Well, but any reproduced MGC modelgun is good news.
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Post by shazhib

Sure thing.
But now, most of the models are "re-produced".
Only few of them "new" are:

CAW 1911
Kokusai M29 (HW) 4, 6 and 8
CAW Type 100 SMG (ex Tanaka)

Regards,

Post by MadMike

I stumbled about something that puzzled me. We knew about an early (gun metal finish) and late (black) version of the MGC M4A1. I found out that the early version had right-angled front receiver lock lugs on the lower receiver (like the original M16A1), and the later version had the rounded lugs (like the A2). It is the same with the M725 M16A2 Carbine (right-angled), and the later M733 M16A2 Commando (rounded).

I did not know that there are black M4A1 models with right-angled lugs too, until I looked closely at Claymore´s review here on the forum. There must be an early black version too! (All my M4s have the rounded lugs, so they seem to be late models. My two M725s have the right-angled lugs).

See the pics to understand what I am talking about:

Claymore´s early version with the "A1" style lugs:



One of my guns with the "A2" style lugs:



And here my M4A1 RIS were you can see the lugs better:



Late M725 HW gun metal finish "M16A2" lower receiver with right-angled lugs:



M733 "M16A2" lower receiver with rounded lugs:



I hope I didn´t bore you guys, but there is so much we can find out about our models when we take the time and enjoy them. Well that´s what collecting is about anyway ...
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Post by Mark



Nope you didn't bore me or anyone on this forum as we all like our respective modelguns and we all like to see details that are interesting on our modelguns. The early late M16 receiver changes that MGC either was unaware of (or, the example that they studied didn't have them) or they didn't or couldn't change the mold in time for the M4's debut..My HW (silver) M4 has the M16A1 style lug which disappointed me when I noticed the detail...
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Post by Hayden120



Model Guns "Worldwide" now has stock of both the black version and the parkerized version. Seems MGC are making both. Looks a lot better than that crappy silver looking photo. You can see both models use the new front lugs. Going for $695 USD.

http://www.modelguns-worldwide.com/m4a1_carbine.htm
(or the M4 Commando for the same price: http://www.modelguns-worldwide.com/m4_commando.htm)



Or

Post by BRMoore

MadMike wrote:

Someone on the forum bought a Commando, but it came with the standard carry handle, not the sawn off version as well as in a "R.I.S. version" box ...

I'm guessing your referring to me as I have a Commando, that came in an R.I.S. box:P lol

Post by MadMike

Hello mate, yes I think I was referring to you then.

The short M4A1 came with a sticker "short" on the box, and with a sawed off carryhandle:





Anyway modelguns seem to be the only store to offer the 14,5 inch Carbine and 11,5 inch Commando version right now. But I have not heard of MGC making the short version again, so maybe they do the modifications theirselves.

Anyway I like the parkerized "military" finish ...
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Post by jim

Well actually the grey parkerised finish isn't that bad but I prefer the black version anyway...

I'm quite sure that the collapsible stock on the last batch of M4A1 are in shiny black ABS instead of being parkerised and that's what making it look awkward -


I took this pic direct from the new MGC shop website so I think this is more accurate...


...and for this - can anybody ask Jay if this one is made earlier (2~3 yrs) when New MGC still bothered to parkerise the stock as to make it look better...(by the way my M4A1 look like this one...)

I'm not in any way challenging anybody...just want to make sure if everything's right

Post by BRMoore

I'm not much of a fan of sawn off I'd rather go for something like this, however this is an airsoft gun.



^See that little flip up sight at the back.



^Again.



^I love that:)



^And that:)
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Post by jim

BRMoore wrote:

It's just an example of the sight at the back...show me a model gun with that...

I might've gotten you wrong, but it is just a back-up sight. Any model gun that has a rail on the receiver will accept one.
I THINK that the original back-up sight was really a cut-down carrying handle, much like the one's we see here, but not as nicely machined, i've seen examples that were roughly torch cut. Whatever works, right?
Here's a few examples:

Post by MadMike

Yes, the cut down carry handle was a initial modification done by armorers and soldiers wo needed a back-up iron sight as well as the rail for mounting scopes/sights, especially when the guns came with the standard front hand guard without RIS/RAS.

I just got an email from newMGC. They told me they are only offering the 14,5 inch M4A1 Carbine in natural HW colour, all other versions are out of stock/out of production, so black or short versions must be old-stock or modifications done by some dealers they say.

Anyway the number is said to be very limited ...
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Post by MadMike

Regarding the stock, it should be black on all versions, but not too shiny. The stocks on the original M4 are plastic too. Only the first version on the XM177/XM177E1/XM177E2 versions was metal with plastic coating.

I am quite sure that modelguns.co.uk are doing their own conversions with this model. They are also offering a 10 inch barrel version as "C8 CQB" and this is not factory produced. A nice looking gun although the Diemaco C8 CQB has a few other features as the standard Colt M4.

Has anyone of you guys actually seen one of these last edition MGC M4A1s?
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Post by MadMike

Well, looks like this was the last chapter. The NewMGC shop lists this limited M4A1 as SOLD OUT now

If anyone has one of those last edition M4A1s I would love to see pics.
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