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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:54 am

Post by GZ22

Just saw this, the program is on TV tonight:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7070547.stm

So, exactly how is the VCRA going to defeat this type of activity? It's been an offence for long enough already.
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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:54 am

Reading through that BBC web page I notice that, possibly for the first me, a clear reference that these "Replicas" so readily converted are in fact Blank Firers illegally imported.

This might mean they're front venting etc?

What we could do with now is for the Government et al to be informed and conviced that PFC modelguns, Airsoft AEGs, childrens plastic toy guns are NOT the same.
They cannot, ever, be converted to fire live rounds no matter how skilled a gunsmith is.

It also proves doesn't it, that Banning Front Venting blank firers in the UK hasn't made a jot of difference if Lithuanians bring them here in the boot of the car.

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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:55 am

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Front-venting or not, I doubt if blank guns can be easily converted to fire life ammo. Germany has very strict standards when it comes to blank guns, and the German models are tested by authorities if they can be converted. So I am quite sure that converting a German PAK blank gun means building up an almost complete new gun, but using some/few parts from the blank pistol.

Anyway "converted" balnk guns are really no issue here in Germany, although we can buy good PAK blank guns in almost every good hardware store. Gun crimes are commited with stolen real guns or bootlegged guns from the East, sometimes even by legally registered gun owners ...
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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:56 am

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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:57 am

Post by Doc (Nov 17th 2007)

oh dear ........




gets around the having to register on an airsoft site but would you want to own this ?

What if a crim paints his RS M4 Bright green ...presumably the above would become an immitation of that and therefore come under the act once more ...

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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:57 am

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Also call me a cynical old ******* but I was persusing Jays take on the VCR now being law and it seems he has removed all mention of it from the modelguns worldwide site except here :




anyone just about see the link on the end ?

Im presuming this as because he now resides in France that the law (on sellers ) does not affect him and it will only be the importer that lands in the brown stuff ..... nice eh ?

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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:58 am

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I have seen that too and find it quite irresponsible towards British customers. The fact that it is a transaction within the EU does not quarantee that the modelgun won't be detected, and of course this does not make it legal in the UK regarding the VCRA. If it gets seized the buyer won't get any refund, and regarding the importsation of a RIF all will come down on him. Not a very professional way for a dealer to andle the legal situation in the Uk I'd say.
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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:59 am

Post by BRMoore

Cool, so when I start basic at Catterick in January I'll "borrow" an SA80, paint it bright orange, go and attack the capital(and take it over because I'm that good) but the gun is legal because it's orange, and then I'll order a gun from modelguns and get charged more for that than anything else, but then I'll get sent to a prison in London which I have now taken over, let myself out, and go home again, all in a days work

I love the UK

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Oh and remember everyone if your annoyed at all the bans etc on replicas you can go get a firearm certificate and get a RS gun(we're all "law abiding citizens" who collect) so WWWTTTFFFFFF???????????

and don't forget this lovely banning of replicas crusade they've got, does NOT AFFECT DEACTIVATED WEAPONS AT ALL!!! P.S. all those incidents in the news involving guns was by deacs reactivated and used again which is possible with the expertise, and these guns are unaffected at all apparently they were exempt from the VCR officially...(deactivated and antique guns was exactly what it said)
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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:59 am

Post by Doc (Nov 21st 2007)



eerrr .... Im sure its just server upgrade or something but the battle orders website seems down or missing

I hope his "buy from us and you are in our club" policy hasn`t put his head on the block .

Im sure its server upgrade ....bleedin hope so ..........gulp

Edit : Nope dont panic ...its back there again ... thank gawd

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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:00 am

Post by GZ22 (Nov 23rd 2007)

I read on an airsoft forum recently a massive post where people were calling the guy who runs Battle Orders a Ba****d, an were saying that he was scum and that they would report him for "openly flouting the VCRA" with his "buy from me and you're a re-enactor" policy.

Personally I think that BO are a sound firm, they've been going for donkeys and have a sensible approach to sales.
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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:01 am

Post by Doc (Nov 29th 2007)

Here is the police actually clamping down post October

http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-1294927,.html

err ....yep you wanna get some bloke with bigger muscles to do that

wonder what they would say if they found bugger all ....errr sorry Mrs...you want to get that door fixed or the thieves will be in ......

UK police ....now about as subtle as king kong looking for a date

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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:02 am

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Wow, they seized 6 imitation firearms, and a replica AK47, maybe a Denix? They must feel like they just made a bargain ...
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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:03 am

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Typical emotional lead-in story on top of the "gun bust". I.E. the police busting down the door of a suspected "drug house" and finding a growing operation etc. and then....Finding harmless...errr...DANGEROUS plastic replica guns! Along with a REAL? Glock with Ammunition..(note the packaging that the Glock was in) I like the lack of proof that they found a real live Glock..More than likely, they discovered a deactivated version with dummy rounds as i seriously doubt that that copper even looked at the so called Glock or ammunition that he displayed.

Also of note, how many criminals would have not fired at the Cops breaking down the door if they had a real Glock at their disposal?
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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:04 am

Post by MadMike

Yes, you are right! It would propably have looked more like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idJsCMw18-Q

Anyway I like the special gift box of the Glock, although I would have expected a real Glock in a plastic case ... Just the right thing for Christmas ...
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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:04 am

Post by ljerr2

I feel for our friends in the UK. There is always a compromise - like what happened in the US. You can have guns that are replicas, as long as they are made out of clear plastic and have a blaze orange barrel tip. Now what collector wouldn't like that?
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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:05 am

Post by Doc (Nov 30th 2007)

Reported shootings (with real ones) has apperenly gone up a bit since October ....ruddy marvelous

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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:06 am

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There's a now-well-worn adage that goes, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."
Sadly, perhaps it's true in this case...

I suppose soon it will be time to ban matches in order to eliminate arson
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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:07 am

Post by BRMoore (Dec 02, 2007)

ljerr2 wrote:
You can have guns that are replicas, as long as they are made out of clear plastic and have a blaze orange barrel tip. Now what collector wouldn't like that?
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Doc wrote:
Reported shootings (with real ones) has apperenly gone up a bit since October ....ruddy marvelous
I'm really not surprised, criminals don't follow laws so logically the only people affected are law abiding people, gun laws just disarm citizens but they isn't that a plus...well for the government only...get a firm grip on everyone to force them to do what they want.
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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:08 am

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ricks wrote:
Several major US cities are trying to "nice-ify" disarmament for the holidays by offering gift cards in government-sponsored buyback programs Exclamation
The trouble with BUYBACKS is how can you buyback something that you never owned? And furthermore local governments should stop these "get rid of my crime gun/evidence" for cash programs as they are a total waste of time as you get old ladies turning in their deceased husbands hunting rifles etc. Not the "gangbangers" "Hoodlums" etc. that these buybacks are "aimed at"
Stupid antigun fanatics!
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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:10 am

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mark wrote:
Stupid antigun fanatics!
Aye! Cool They plague the earth complaining, I bet the best solution to gun crime is for everyone to get guns and shoot back at them and hunt them down, I wonder how much gun crime will carry on if they did that huh...
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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:10 am

Post by Spencerman

Yeah, you say that, there actually is a state in America, someone will no doubt be able to fill us in as to which, where it is a legal requirement for every home to own a gun. The burgulary rate in that state has fallen drastically after the legislation was brought in. Would you burgularise a house if you knew that the home owner had a gun and was entitled to use it? Not maybe had a gun and might use it, but HAS a gun and might use it. I would like to see what would happen if some twat tried to 'happy slap' someone with say a .44 automag, and he then used it, I bet that the number of 'happy slap' videos suddenly would drop rapidly!
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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:12 am

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Wonder if the UK Gov would attempt to make this illegal too .......



that would be interesting down the local swimming baths eh ?

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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:12 am

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Oh my good god! This is truly maniacal behaviour!

http://www.sportsmansassociation.org.uk/newsarchive/The-Contorted-Face-of-The-Gun-Control-Network.pdf

And the anti-gun lobby have the cheek to call us 'nutters'!
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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:14 am

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Similar to those zealous, yet disturbed, souls who have bombed OCCUPIED abortion clinics "in order to stop the murder that goes on there."
We also have animal rights groups in the States that allegedly shoot hunting dogs
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PostSubject: Re: VCRA   Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:14 am

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"Mothers against violence" -- that actually means some poor sap spent more than a few hours with her.

John Ford, one of my favorite western directors said:
"The west was great, then the wives arrived..."

Actually, it's not the anger that I have a problem with, that's OK, if a moron "gangster" harmed my family I'd be mad; it's the ignorance of most of these hysterical women that irritates me.

I ran into a woman who was part of this crowd here in LA, who was desperate to tell me how wrong it was that assault weapons were so available, I asked her to define assault weapon, she described an automatic weapon, which aren't and haven't been available easily since 1934, and assault weapons (the modern "incorrect" definition, at least) have been banned in CA since 2000. The only people who have these are registered and legally qualified individuals who are permitted to keep the guns under lock and key.

What they really want, as we all do, is to punish criminals who use illegal guns in crimes, but it's harder to find targets with those guys, they tend to hide until they're caught, or shoot at you if you threaten to expose them. It really is a lot easier to go after law abiding gun owners who aren't going to shoot you, right (or replica gun owners, an even safer target!)?

Unfortunately she like many of her associates didn't want to listen, they have their manifesto, and it's set in stone.
And they will win, they always do, because even the most pro-gun of politicians has a wife at home.
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