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PostSubject: Re: Keystone Arsenal Replicas... anyone know anything?   Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:45 pm

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Yes, they are technically modelguns due to they where offered by MGC as a kit during the 1970's and i do believe that MGC made a firing version of the .45 government therefore, they are "modelguns"

What would be cool is to make some sort of firing pin as well as the other parts to make it fire caps. My old MGC made zinc .45 that i bought from the collectors armory back in the 1980's, had the "firing plate" as well as the proper cap firing barrel (missing the detonator) still in it. It really looked sharp in the 1943 Boyt holster that i had it in.....
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PostSubject: Re: Keystone Arsenal Replicas... anyone know anything?   Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:45 pm

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FWIW - The following eBay seller lives near Keystone & occasionally sells products that hsve come from them, although he is actually an independent seller...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Thompson-Replica-Full-Metal-Prop-Gun-Rifle-Drum-Mag-New_W0QQitemZ160207390433QQihZ006QQcategoryZ62121QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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PostSubject: Re: Keystone Arsenal Replicas... anyone know anything?   Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:46 pm

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Some of these US made items are good - not Model Gun I've found , and some of this stuff is distinctly Spanish in origin - the SMLE is a Denix item I'm sure . As is the Thompson - pretty positive .

If so these are the Denix items designed just as the factory had a fire , and were imported into UK in limited numbers ......with the import ban looming , one guy tried to sell a SMLE to me for 300 !! ($600USD) .
I see now that things have settled these are availablke in UK aagain , at a reasonable price ..pheww !

There are/were some nice Broomhandle mausers floating around that looked like the cheaper Denix but were actually an unknown maker - again inert non gun and not pfc etc etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Keystone Arsenal Replicas... anyone know anything?   Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:46 pm

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I agree, most probably they are made by Denix. The 1911 is not made by Denix though. I've seen and handled the Denix quite a lot and the 1911 from Keystone is very different
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PostSubject: Re: Keystone Arsenal Replicas... anyone know anything?   Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:29 pm

I've just been browsing their site, and noticed that they have a custom M1A1 for what seems like an okay price (489 USD)



http://www.keystonearsenal.com/shop/?cat=10

Does anyone here know anything about it? Is it a rebuilt/converted Denix M1928, a Hudson, or a complete new build?


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PostSubject: Re: Keystone Arsenal Replicas... anyone know anything?   Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:08 pm

Keystone are now offering a non-firing M4 and an M4 CQB. They look quite nice in my opinion.

http://www.keystonearsenal.com/shop/largerimage.php?prod_id=378

Anyone know who the manufacturer is?
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PostSubject: Re: Keystone Arsenal Replicas... anyone know anything?   Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:01 pm

Bazooka Joe wrote:
Keystone are now offering a non-firing M4 and an M4 CQB. They look quite nice in my opinion.

http://www.keystonearsenal.com/shop/largerimage.php?prod_id=378

Anyone know who the manufacturer is?

These M4s look too detailed to be Denix as far as I know. Denix modelsI have seen will not chamber rounds for example.
It'd be interesting to know how much Keystone charge for these. If they strips down cmpletely as per the original, have realistic internals then these could be of great interest.

Edit: Current Price $439 (normal price $799)
They will NOT chamber rounds either, but they still look amazingly good


Also getting back to the Keystone Thompson M1A1 above, I don't think anyone other than Hudson made replicas of the M1A1
MGC, Denix have made M1921 models in military and Chigago typewriter versions but these M1A1s could be produced by Keystone themselves. They quote 5 days to build one

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PostSubject: Re: Keystone Arsenal Replicas... anyone know anything?   Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:08 pm

They're on offer at 439 USD at present.

http://www.keystonearsenal.com/shop/?cat=6

Looking at the bolt carrier again, I'm wondering if these are converted GBB airsofts?
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PostSubject: Re: Keystone Arsenal Replicas... anyone know anything?   Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:50 pm

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Also getting back to the Keystone Thompson M1A1 above, I don't think anyone other than Hudson made replicas of the M1A1
MGC, Denix have made M1921 models in military and Chigago typewriter versions but these M1A1s could be produced by Keystone themselves. They quote 5 days to build one

I believe, the Thompsons are "re-worked" Denix models, some custom parts, some parts refinished, but in general quite nice when compared to a "standard" denix.


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PostSubject: Re: Keystone Arsenal Replicas... anyone know anything?   Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:05 pm

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Also getting back to the Keystone Thompson M1A1 above, I don't think anyone other than Hudson made replicas of the M1A1
MGC, Denix have made M1921 models in military and Chigago typewriter versions but these M1A1s could be produced by Keystone themselves. They quote 5 days to build one

I belive, the Thompsons are "re-worked" Denix models, some custom parts, some parts refinished, but in general quite nice when compared to a "standard" denix.

It'd be an extensive conversion, the upper receiver and barrel are quite different, the lower receiver and selector switches differ too. There aren't many parts that are interchangeable when you look at them, wooden pistol and foregrip would swap over, there doesn't seem much more that would.
Keystone do seem to have made a nice job, it'd be nice to see one in the flesh wouldn't it Question

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PostSubject: Re: Keystone Arsenal Replicas... anyone know anything?   Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:42 pm

Hi Cerwyn
You are absolutly correct I must learn to look/read properly
(teachers always said read the question twice Embarassed Embarassed )
I was refering to keystons 1928 Thompsons I had a chat with Gary about them some time ago.
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PostSubject: Re: Keystone Arsenal Replicas... anyone know anything?   Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:52 pm

Ok To redeem myself:)
The keystone M1A1 situation (the one in the photo)

To quote Gary at Keystone
"Now, the M1A1 Thompson, is a KAR exclusive, and we build them right here. They use a happy amalgamation of some Denix Parts, Custom Parts, and genuine Thompson Parts....These guns are amazing!"

Hope that helps:)
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PostSubject: Re: Keystone Arsenal Replicas... anyone know anything?   Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:54 pm

JohnnyV wrote:
Ok To redeem myself:)
The keystone M1A1 situation (the one in the photo)

To quote Gary at Keystone
"Now, the M1A1 Thompson, is a KAR exclusive, and we build them right here. They use a happy amalgamation of some Denix Parts, Custom Parts, and genuine Thompson Parts....These guns are amazing!"

Hope that helps:)

Good find John Very Happy their M1A1s are a right mixture of parts then. It'd be interesting to see more detailed photos of this one.
The Upper Receiver and Barrel could very well be custom made, iron sights wouldn't take much work to make, woodwork's possibly Denix as could be the lower receiver and trigger. Different switches, Thompson mag ...

All in, a nice looking rep'

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PostSubject: Re: Keystone Arsenal Replicas... anyone know anything?   Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:50 am

That M4 got me hooked. I looked at the pictures for a long time and I too noticed that the bolt looks very similar to current GBB designs. It seems a great, full-metal dummy model for a good price. Anyway it won't cycle carts, and it has no gastube, no rotating/locking bolt and no markings. I am not yet sure what to think about it ...
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