Drozd BB gun...

Post by banjoe

Have any of you guys ever shot or seen this thing? It looks awesome.

Post by allenb

Yes I've got one, they're superb fun.

They have an electronic trigger, which on the US version allows 1,3 or 6 shot bursts at up to 600rpm. UK version is semi auto only

....However, the trigger is electronic.... so with a little jiggery pockery you can alter it to full auto at 1200rpm!!!

Of course i'm in the UK and altering the gun is illegal, so I wouldn't know anything about that.....I leave such things to those in a country where it is legal to have fully automatic steel bb showering CO2 weapons...

Post by banjoe

Airgundepot.com. They carry the "toy". I have just ordered one and cannot wait to get it.

Post by allenb

Try this site for interesting drozd related fun


http://azure.bbboy.net/straferbbmachinegunownersgroup-viewforum?forum=10

The guy who sells the dye instructions is a regular on there. His username's olpistolpacker. Give him a shout.

Post by Mark

Believe it or not, the Drozd (Bumble Bee?) isn't meant to fire steel, .177 calibre BB's..It actually was designed to fire lead "BB's" if the steel standard copper plated BB's are used for long periods of fire they can actually damage the Drozed's barrel. Be sure to source both the proper lead BB's as well as spare magazines.
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Post by allenb

Yes its true that the barrel will wear out quicker with steel bb's, but my Drozd was supplied with steel bb's in the box.
Lead bb's tend to be much more expensive than steels and do not function well in the drozd at high rate-of-fire, they get deformed when entering the barrel and can get squashed.
The drozd does have a rifled barrel but as far as I know Baikal did this simply as this is what they have to hand as their other guns use rifled barrels.
Anyway if you do wear the barrel out, just slap another in!!

Post by Claymore

What the hell do these things look like as i am very intrigued at the moment and with a name like drozd it sounds like a anami gun

Post by Hellfire

Here you go claymore!

http://makarov.com/drozd/

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Post by Reemo

I have one. Its fun

But the magazine has NO capacity - constantly reloading. They should do a drum magazine for it! ( )

I refinished mine all black - actually sort of dyed it. There is a guy on eBay who sells an excellent pamphlet (directions) on how to color them black. EASY and worth the $5-10.00 to buy it. Great information.

There is also a "full auto" mod chip for it.....its about 15.00.....otherwise its "burst mode" only.....no continuous full auto firing.

Only the American versions are yellow - it was either go all yellow, or Baikal couldnt import them anymore. Customs offcials had problems recognizing them for what they are (bb guns)

The lead bbs that come with the gun are AWFUL Russian made bb's....pure garbage.

They are about as loud as a paintball gun. Maybe not as loud, but enough to draw attention from neighbors.
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Post by Claymore

Ah! very star trek. still could be mistaken for a real gun though so would of thought the vcr bill will affect this also

Post by Hellfire

Hi,

The Drozd always reminds me of the Walther P99 maybe if Walther made an SMG now this is what it would look like

I Reckon the VCR bill will affect everything!.... even water pistols that look like real guns

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I have one too & love it
I added a long barrel - for velocity - & a mock suppressor - for looks.
Supposedly the factory's stance is that the barrel is sufficiently hardened that steel bb's should not cause undue wear. Hence, the shipping of the steel bb's with the guns...

I think I'm correct in saying that Lead shot and pellets were banned in the UK some time ago. Apparently birds such as swans were picking up lead shot used by fishermen as weights and were dying as a result of lead poisoning.

A substitute "lead" is used now that isn't toxic.

If the Drozd was designed to use lead initially, does that mean real lead hasn't been banned in the US or would you use a subsitute?

Cerwyn

While I'm hardly an expert, lead shot is banned in PA in waterfowl areas. Other states may vary. Lead pellets, bb's are not considered as they are illegal to hunt with in my state.

I have a drozd as well. you can shoot steel through them, the barrels are rifles. I put a red dot scope on it and an AK-47 underfold stock and for grip. I may be getting a 25 inch crossman barrel for it and make it a rodent sniper rifle!

Let me know how you make out. The long barrels seem to be the way to go for muzzle velocity.

Post by ricks

I suppose this qualifies as a "real" gun for our purposes - the IZH-Baikal Drozd BB Gun.
This thing rocks!
It shoots .177 cal steel or lead BB's at 360 feet per second (109 mps) and is FULL AUTO!!!!
You can shoot semi-auto, 3 round-per-second, or 6 rps bursts! By manipulating the trigger, it will run as full auto.
It is sold in the US as an airgun, and may qualify elsewhere due to its "safety orange"-painted barrel tip and yellow plastic stock (black available).
Muzzle velocity can be improved with longer replacement barrels.

Offered as info only - stay legal.
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Post by ricks

For what it's worth... does the original Drozd, in its infamous yellow & black "bumble bee" guise meet the VCR requirements for importation?
Or does it's projectile-shooting capability disqualify it?
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Post by Doc

As an Airgun this would only be allowed to be sold by a RFD in the UK I think (unless it gets by on the co2 power bit) however the full autoness and the fact they are supposed to be flesh piercing would probably make it a no no .

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Post by allenb

I have a Drozd, bought before VCR.
UK spec model are black and do not have the burst facility - the area where the slider for burst selection is blanked off.
As mine was one of the early ones it still had the switches inside and the blanking plate takes seconds to remove...
As it uses an electronic trigger, bust rate/length this is open to 'customisation'...
...Just not in the UK 'cos that would bE naughty.
Goooooood fun!
PS, Haven't seen any for sale since VCR but then again you can no longer buy airguns by mail now..

Post by Phobus

JS Ramsbottom Keighley WAS selling them and I think they are still listed although collection only now due to VCR plop.

Even semi auto only they are brilliant fun with a superb fast fire trigger unlike anything I have used before .

There are lots of US websites which detail several mods for the Drozd and the full auto mod requires only a tiny bit of solder in the right place and away you go with full auto naughtiness

Whilst most would agree on illegality of this in the UK ( WHAT IS,NT !! ) I would point out several full auto airsofts which until recently at least were on open sale in the UK at not far off the muzzle energy of the Drozd .

For instance the full metal Uzi as sold by Airsoftscotland at nearly 600 fps with .20 bbs and very , very full auto on CO2 . You should see what it does to coke cans !!

Anyway , Drozd = fantastic fun gun but needs a silencer to avoid nervous neighbours.

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Post by romagnus

I have a drozd! I love it! I live in PA, USA. Mine is black with fake silencer and a red dot scope. I have a 23 inch barrel on order for it too. On my myspace account I have 2 videos of it. You can see them here

http://www.myspace.com/romagnus

The first one I am shooting shoot and see targets in my garage and in the second I am shooting my laptop that finally died.

I ordered mine from EAA CORP, the importer for the USA. They told me that it is illegal in six states, maryland is one of them.