Canada

Post by schultzsgt

Do we have anyother model gun collectors here from Canada besides myself? Ontario would be even better.... lol. Would like to chat with them
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Post by francky

hi,

i'm wondering any modelguns shop in canada? if you know some, appreciate if you let me know the address of website.

thank you

francky

Post by schultzsgt

Well unfortunatley model guns fall under the new replica law which now makes them prohibited. But if you owned a "replica" before Dec1/98 you may keep it. You can't sell it, trade it, lend it, or give it away. Here the term "replica" guns applies to anything that resembles a real firearm in size and color. Even plastic squirt guns, cap guns, and toy guns if they resemble a real firearm in size and color are prohibited. If the gun is significately smaller, larger, made of clear plastic, or one of the bright day-glow colors it isn't concidered a replica. I have talked with several police officers in different towns and cities and some say they aren't illegal and some say they are. One even said that if used in the commission of a crime they become illegal otherwise they aren't. Altering a replica that wasn't originally capable of fireing caps or plug fire to do so makes the replica now an illegal weapon.
What is funny though dewat's are not regulated yet model guns are doesn't make sense to me. I can buy a semi-auto belt fed mg34 that fires real bullets with my PAL(Possession Aquisition Licence) but can't buy a model gun really makes alot of sense don't it???
I know of one army surplus store in Oshawa Ont. that does have a few model guns but the ones he has are flintlocks and some old ball and cap pistols. I have an old flintlock musket model gun that came from his store
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Post by Spencerman

What about airsoft, does that come under the same description, or are they permitted for the specific use that they were intended (ie. skirmishing etc.)? It sounds very similar to the propsed vcr bill here in the uk. How about spare parts, can you buy them?
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Post by francky

hi schultzsgt,

thanks for the info, i didn't know that you country has strange firearms law. i have no idea what the higherup in the country are thinking.

Post by schultzsgt

Airsoft is another grey area. If the airsoft weapon is the same color and size of a real weapon it could fall under the replica definition. The airsoft community are pretty strict and police themselves from what I have read on the airsoft canada forum. Some of their sections are restricted to verified members of that forum. You have to be verified by a forum member live in person to prove you are 18 or older. Some stores do sell airsoft guns ammo etc but the ones I have seen in the stores look nothing like real guns alot like paintball guns.
But what gets me is they can ban restrict all they want, if a criminal wants a firearm he will get it! The ones that suffer are the law abideing people. They seem to forget GUNS DON'T KILL!!!! PEOPLE KILL!!! A weapon can't kill anyone till someone takes the weapon and pulls the trigger.
There is a drastic way to solve this problem... ban all firearms then shoot anyone you see with a firearm because they must be criminals because law abideing people don't have firearms. Sorry for rambleing on about our stupid gun laws but as someone said idiots are makeing the gun laws.
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Post by Hayden120

schultzsgt wrote:

But what gets me is they can ban restrict all they want, if a criminal wants a firearm he will get it! The ones that suffer are the law abideing people. They seem to forget GUNS DON'T KILL!!!! PEOPLE KILL!!! A weapon can't kill anyone till someone takes the weapon and pulls the trigger.
There is a drastic way to solve this problem... ban all firearms then shoot anyone you see with a firearm because they must be criminals because law abideing people don't have firearms. Sorry for rambleing on about our stupid gun laws but as someone said idiots are makeing the gun laws.

Mmmm... I don't completely agree with that statement schultzsgt. That sounds like something from the NRA lol. As much as I like guns, you can't deny the fact that a gun is a tool that was designed to kill, nothing else.
You say guns don't kill, people do. You see, if the person doesn't have his tool, he can't do his objective. Do you think knives are going to kill 20 people in 90 seconds? If there are no firearms around, there is no way for a criminal to get them. In Australia we were having mass shootings left, right and centre until new laws were put into place. There hasn't been one since.
But anyway, I sound like one of those anti-gun people, so I'll stop now. It does annoy me that I can't get any model gun of any kind in Australia and I really would like a semi-auto rifle after having the chance to fire one in Canada. I always think, "Maybe they should have just tightened the laws on guns so they are still there, but harder for criminals to get." But then there is still the opportunity to get the weapon, possibly by stealing it.

Post by schultzsgt
I know guns are a tool but still it takes a person to pick up the tool. The problem is courts, and lawyers will make deals to get convictions. Apply the laws is what it takes. If you do the crime then do the time. There are more law abideing people out there than criminal yet the law abideing people are the ones that get shafted. Criminals will always find away to get guns reguardless of any laws.
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Post by Hayden120

Well if the guns aren't there there, the criminal can't use it. After the Port Arthur massacre in Australia where 35 people died, the laws were changed and all semi-auto guns were destroyed. We haven't had a mass shooting since; even if a criminal wanted to do a mass shooting now, they can't because there are no weapons to do it with. The only things we have are bolt action rifles, (that you must go through endless licensing to obtain) that could kill about three people before you get shot down by the police.

Post by schultzsgt

There is a difference between Australia and Canada for one thing we the US to the south of us here. Here would just be a simple thing to pop across the border to the US and bring back a few handguns or what ever.
But I do believe stiffer and longer sentences for firearm offences are needed.

Hayden120 wrote:

Well if the guns aren't there there, the criminal can't use it. After the Port Arthur massacre in Australia where 35 people died, the laws were changed and all semi-auto guns were destroyed. We haven't had a mass shooting since; even if a criminal wanted to do a mass shooting now, they can't because there are no weapons to do it with. The only things we have are bolt action rifles, (that you must go through endless licensing to obtain) that could kill about three people before you get shot down by the police.

Post by InEvasion

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You say guns don't kill, people do. You see, if the person doesn't have his tool, he can't do his objective. Do you think knives are going to kill 20 people in 90 seconds?

-Hayden120
I hate to be a smart arse, but load 10 milk bottles with petrol and cooking oil, tie a rag in a knot, put that in the top and your talking 100 people in less than 90 seconds. Grab a chainsaw, your talking perhaps 50 in minutes. Grab a motor car/truck, bee jesus your talking hundreds in seconds. You see what I'm saying??? These are horrific techniques, yet I know these due to scum/psychopaths who have used them previously. If a human wants to kill, they will find any way possible. BTW it's not the guns or people that kill, it's bullets

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the fact that a gun is a tool that was designed to kill, nothing else

-Hayden120
My aunt is a competition shooter and has enjoyed a very prestigous/fulfilling career from this in Switz. She has never killed a soul. It was designed to kill, I agree fully, yet that does not mean that every man/woman who owns one is a killer. Much like the chainsaw/petrol/cars I mentioned.
Just quickly, about Port Arthur, have you read the supposed 'conspiracy theories' regarding Martin Bryant, his extreme lack of intelligence and yet skills that would surpass Elite forces in terms of precision. I am not offering my opinion, yet found this chilling and quite contradictory reading.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant
http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/conspiracy/conspiracy/parthur1.html

Post by Hayden120

Alrighty, first of all, that milbottle thing has never happened and I don't think it ever will. First of all it would be very hard to walk into public with 10 milk bottles filled with petrol, and most people could out run you. It wouldn't be effective. Do you see guys in war wielding milkbottles lol? Chainsaw? Lol, someones been watching too much Texas Chainsaw Massacre. People would out run you, plus to actually kill someone with the chainsaw is incredibly hard, you would have to bury it into their chest or head to actually finish them off. Actually killing someone is quite hard; even if you shoot them in the heart they may not die. Also, I do target shooting too and enjoy it, I am not against guns; but the original sole purpose for a gun was to kill; from when it was first invented. Shooting targets was originally just practice, for shooting living things. Anyway, I'm not against guns, I'm just bringing some reality into this. BTW those Port Arthur conspiracies are pretty much crap, they were made by gun lobbies to try and get the laws changed back. But anyway lets change the topic now, I'm sick of sounding like an anti-gun whiner, and I'm not that kind of person. (I am called a nerd constantly because knowledge in firearms)

Post by InEvasion

Hayden, I understand all of your opinions, yet used my examples as ways of showing how to cause carnage. Think of massive crowds whereby everyone who ran, ran straight past you (crowds go into frenzy) or into the chainsaw. Each wound would be near fatal if aimed at the torso upwards. Petrol bombs are used by the military as my friend (Regiment Gunner) has used them out in Iraq as a last resort weapon. Think elevated positions where people wouldn't see you, your talking chaos. The motorcar you failed to mention, so I guess you see some worth in that example. The port arthur conspiracies although patchy, hold many valid points, so I have to disagree again. It sickens me to the gut thinking that things like this have happened, yet I was only making a point. I also have a vast knowledge of firearms, yet see this as absolutely no relation to what we are talking about. The fact I mentioned chainsaws, (someones been watching too much chainsaw massacre lol!!!) is due to the ease at which they are obtained readily and the killing potential they hold. Petrol bombs and cars the same.

Post by Hayden120

Alright, anyway let's get back to the original topic of Canada; we are getting a bit off track here, and I don't want to get into any arguments with my good model gun buddies lol. This is a model gun forum after all isn't it lol?

Post by schultzsgt



I agree didn't expect to get into a big debate here was just looking to see how many other Canadians belonged to the forum
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Post by InEvasion

Affirmative. I don' see any harm in anyone expressing their opinions. Over and out.

Another lonely Canadian model gun collector here, not many people have any idea what they are. Have come across maybe two dozen over the last decade (didn't buy them all) on craigslist and the airsoft boards. Haven't got one off here though and I've sold a few that I regret now. The replica law is junk. Dewat's or deactivated firearms are legal, full steel airsoft are legal (airsoft has come a long way in the last 10 years). As long as it shoots something under 500 fps it's legal, Replica or not. The yunker 2 for example is a real Russian training rifle that fires live rounds. They converted these to CO2 pellet guns. Includes a real steel receiver. These are illegal in the USA as the ATF states it has a real receiver. In Canada since it fires pellets at 120 m/s it's legal. Hilarious I must say.

If any fellow Canadian Model gun collectors are willing to let go of any their pieces drop me pm.

Thanks.