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PostSubject: MGC Thompson Modelgun... A Full Review...   MGC Thompson Modelgun... A Full Review... Icon_minitimeFri Sep 26, 2008 8:28 pm

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The MGC 製1921 Thompson modelgun

The real Thompson submachine gun

Possibly the Thompson is the best recognized submachine gun in the world! (as well as being the first to be called a submachine gun by it's creator) The Thompson submachine gun has secured ever lasting fame (or infamy) through its deeds and miss-deeds in the hands of law enforcement officers, strike busters and gangsters in the 20's and 30's.

Recalling the prohibition era to mind, gangsters with pin-striped suits and fedora's, speak-easy's, careening model A sedans with squealing tires, 1911 .45's and the staccato roar of the Thompson submachine gun!

General John Taliaferro Thompson desired nothing but good to come from the gun that was named in his honor, preferring that the Thompson submachine gun be used on the side of law and order!

I was lucky enough to fire a M1 Thompson in 1928 guise (vertical foregrip and finned barrel with compensator) at an indoor range in Las Vegas, it was fun to shoot and very accurate too!

Allot can be said about the Thompson's longevity, as the gun has been featured in countless movies, documentaries and it's screen presence is very unmistakable! whether you like or dislike the history of the Thompson for right or wrong, it clearly is a symbol of the 20's and the 30's!

The Thompson is still in production to this day, in semi and full auto variants.

Unfortunately, the full auto version is only available to law enforcement, government agencies and export.



The MGC製 Thompson

The Model Gun Corporation (as far as I can tell ) started to produce the Thompson modelgun (probably) in the late to early 70's or 80's.

I have yet to see any MGC made Thompson modelguns with 1980 or earlier dates on them.

However, There are 2 distinctly different versions of the known MGC Thompson 1. The earlier "paper cap" type and 2. The later "CP" (Cap Piston) type.

Also, the MGC custom shop (known as the bond shop) produced the custom version of the Thompson, that featured the original nomenclature on it's sides.

The MGC Thompson is lacking in one detail, there is no provision for the last shot hold open device that the original Thompson featured.

The magazines:

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The Model Gun Corporation made just two versions of the Thompson magazines the "xx" and the "xl" the 20 round "stick" magazine and the "50" round drum. (actually, the MGC version only holds 39 rounds)

The magazines are constructed nicely out of stamped and blued steel and appear to be the real article, however they do not have the patent dates or nomenclature that the originals possess.

The MGC versions of the Thompson magazines usually are unmarked in any way shape or form. (Japan, MGC etc.)

The magazines appear to be interchangeable with the real Thompson, but I don't think that the reverse is true as the MGC company used the metric measurement system as opposed to the Inch standard.

Also, the magazine spring in the MGC magazine has far less tension due to the spring balance that these modelguns employ therefore, when these modelguns are to be "fired" it is advisable to lubricate the action in the effort to reduce the friction of the sliding parts.

The 39 round drum is the one of the largest feeding devices available in the modelgun world (only the Hudson PPSH with the 42 round ! magazine is slightly larger) the capacity is usually limited in the modelgun magazines due to the reliability factor.

The drum is fairly straight forward and easier to load than it appears, As you remove the cover by first removing the key off the front, by slightly lifting the spring "flap" in the center and sliding the key off.

Open the drum by prying the top off with finger pressure and then notice the rotation of the rotor, it revolves clock-wise.

The rounds are placed around the rotor until 38-39 (the round count varies, due to the eaisly bent rotor fingers) rounds are placed inside.

Once loaded, replace the cover and the key, and wind the drum up 4-5 "clicks" Warning: no more than 6 "clicks" other wise spring damage can occur! Be sure to clean the drum extremely well after "shooting" as rust will appear in no time!

As you can see, there is some rust discoloration of the rotor in the picture!



The chamber inserts:

Again, the MGC Thompson used two different cartridges the "paper cap" type this type, this was just a solid brass cartridge with an machined hole,( no moving parts) that you stuffed "paper caps" into, instead of the 4 piece "CP" (Cap Piston) cartridge that used the "plastic" 7mm cap.

Accordingly, the chamber insert varies due to the cartridge style.

The earlier "paper cap" type had a rather large "detonator" (or firing pin) and "gas ports" as the barrels where cast with a small hole for the gasses to pass through.

Compared to the "plug" cap type which had a much smaller "detonator" (firing pin) but with a solid back with no holes as the barrel was blocked due to revisions in Japanese law.

Also, the bolts differ as the extractor is just a simple piece of stamped spring steel usually held on the bolt with a screw.

Compared to the "CP" style bolt which has an cast steel and machined extractor that pivoted on a pin.

Also, the bolt track seems to be slightly different so it is best to obtain the newer style of the MGC Thompson! Unless, all that you want is an display piece!



The 1921 or the 1928?

The MGC usually came as the 1921-the "Chicago version" (vertical foregrip, the 20 round "xx" "stick" magazine and no compensator) But MGC thoughtfully offered options!

The manual has a picture of these options, horizontal forearm, compensator, drum magazine, a sling, (the horizontal 1928 forearm only as the 1921 did not feature a sling) Allen wrenches, (for disassembly) spare cartridges, etc.

The majority of the MGC Thompson's imported into the USA seem to have come with (most of) the accessories so the owner sets the time frame, prohibition or the 30's.

For me, the common MGC Thompson seems to be the 1921 with the vertical forearm and the compensator or the 1928 with the compensator and the horizontal forearm.

I wanted to have the flavor of the original Thompson: the 1921 with the vertical forearm and with out the compensator.

The muzzle needs to be modified for the compensator-less front sight assy though, as the muzzle from the factory was roughly finished, (and as it doesn't look quite right to me) so a little file and sandpaper work is required to make things right.



Caring for the MGC Thompson

The MGC Thompson is a very well built modelgun, with very few weak parts, and well balanced springs. However, the MGC Thompson needs to well cared for, (as do all of these modelguns) the main thing that needs to be addressed is that the gun must be cleaned and well oiled after every "shooting" cession.

Although, care must be taken, as the screws thread into zinc and after a while they will strip out, so it is best to disassemble it rarely.

I recommend spraying oil into the action as opposed to disassembly.

I try to take mine apart only when the rate of fire slows down noticeably, meaning that a through cleaning/oiling is necessary .



"Shooting" the MGC Thompson

Shooting the model guns is fun as is the challenge of getting them to run right! The average modelgun is quite tricky to try to shoot with any semblance of reliability! due to the spring balances, lubrication issues, cartridges etc.

Actually, the hardest part has to be the acquiring enough caps and cartridges as they can be very expensive and hard to obtain! The MGC corporation did their home work on this model gun, and it shows, as this modelgun "out of the box" ran flawlessly! (both the 20 and the 39 round magazines)

Again, the Model Gun Corporation was the best of the modelgun manufactures as their modelguns work out of the box!

The recoil actually, was a little stronger than I expected, although not too bad (about a .22 long rifle in a fairly light rifle) but far more than I expected from a modelgun of this large size and weight.

The rounds per minute was in the (rough estimate) 750-850 range maybe perhaps a little faster.

The video also reveals the fact that I had reassembled the drum wrongly as it didn't feed right, and after the last cartridge is fired, the drum noisily unwinds itself! oops!

The second video (6/28/03)

The second video seems to be slightly better than the first in my opinion, but hey, it's the visitors that make the judgment calls here anyways! again, the damaged drum spring seems to give me allot of problems! I was using the 7mm Marushin brand caps (silver) for the video.

The Marushin brand caps seem to work well, but the sparks produced by them aren't (well, at least to me they aren't) realistic looking, it's just a matter of taste whether they look right or not. Smile

The MGC brand of caps work well and generate few sparks, they do seem to be a little more powerful than the Marushin brand in comparison.

The MGC Thompson is a very large and heavy (all zinc and wood!) modelgun which just might be one of the heaviest modelguns out there!

Therefore, it can be quite the handful!

I found this modelgun to be very fun and very reliable (besides the temperamental drum magazine!)

Unfortunately, the barrels on these late "CP" type MGC Thompson's where blocked just in front of the chamber therefore, no sparks or gasses will emerge from the muzzle, which ultimately takes away from the realism of this modelgun.

Again, the very first MGC Thompson's (paper cap type) had "open" barrels that allowed the gasses to escape which looks allot better when it was fired.

The video (s) is (are) somewhat short, mostly due to the reluctant drum and the cap availability issue.

(and the clean up duties afterwards!)






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PostSubject: MGC Chigago Thompson   MGC Thompson Modelgun... A Full Review... Icon_minitimeMon Sep 29, 2008 2:49 pm

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This is the new just released model of the MGC chicago thompson, the gangster Thompsom or as MGC have on their box the Anti Bandit, umm!!
OUT OF THE BOX
first the box the Thompson comes in is smaller than i expected this is because the Chicago comes broken down, the shoulder stock detaches from the main body and to fit it you simply slide it into place, to take it off you push a button located on the shoulder stock and slide the stock off, all very easy.
The gun itself is full metal, well zinc alloy i believe but still alot stronger than ABS and the shoulder stock and hand grip are real wood. This gives the model a good hefty weight of 5.5kgs.
The barrel is finned, which on the real gun was to aid cooling i think and has a cutts compensater on the barrel end to reduce felt recoil. This can be changed by unscrewing and a normal front sight can be fitted. Why you would want to change the cutts i dont know as it really finishes the gun off. The model comes with a drum mag which holds 39 rounds of 45 cal.
This model also has an adjustable rear sight, a nice touch but obviously not of use on a modelgun.
The finish is a matt black and it will be interesting to see if it lasts but at the moment it looks like a good job has been done. This is a really solid model that looks and feels good the moment you pick it up.
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DRUM MAG
The drum mag is supposed to take 39 rounds, i always thought the real Thompson drums were 50 round ones but anyway 39 takes enough time to load then clean and load etc, so 39 are fine. However i have found that i can only get 37 in. I am told that the rounds need to be a little loose in the drum and if you put 39 in then the rounds are tight against each other and could cause feeding problems. I have not tried to jam in 39 as it really is a tight fit and 2 rounds more , does it really matter?
loading is straight forward, first you take the lever that winds the spring off, then the back plate comes off with just a little pull, then you just place your rounds bullet head up into the drum replace the back plate and push the winding lever back on, easy.
You then have to wind the spring up so that you have enough tension to push the rounds around, 5 clicks (as you turn the lever it clicks as an indication) is supposed to be enough but after about 15 rounds my drum stopped working so i now give it 6 clicks and it works perfectly.
PREPARING THE GUN FOR FIRING
I always cock the gun before putting the drum on, i dont know if you are supposed to but i find the drum goes on a lot easier if you do, well for me at least. There are rail guides front and back of the drum you align these with the recesses in the gun from the right side and push the drum on till it click's into the mag release lever.
The Chicago is a semi and full auto model and the selector is a small lever on the left side of the gun the safety selector is to the rear of it. Choose semi or auto and you are ready to fire.
FIRING
The first squeeze of the trigger is always a worrying time for me due to guns breaking or failing to funtion and that is always a disappointment. So for the first squeeze on the Chicago i was apprehensive, i squeezed the trigger and 10 rounds (ish) went flying across the room, ho ho ho. a huge grin appeared on my face, i squeezed again a longer burst this time aboout 15 - 20, rounds went flying and the room filled with smoke, i squeezed again anfd the remaning rounds went off. The room was full of smoke now and i had to be careful on breathing as it is pretty dense smoke, i ws impressed, not one failure all rounds had fired and that is good for me, the rate of fire is impressive although you can control the bursts well and the rounds ejected far (i really need to put some foam padding on the wall's) plus you get a really good sound from this gun due to it being all metal. it's just like the rat a tat tat sound you expect from a gangster gun.
You need a bit of a breeze when firing this gun so leave a window open or put a fan on as the smoke is very heavy and lingers, the Chicago does not have an open barrel so this could be the reason it smokes so close to your face (and lungs) if you had smoke coming out of the barel it would push it forward and away from you.
I put 5, 37 round drums through it yesterday and only 2 rounds failed to function properly and caused a jam, now for a modelgun that is good.
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CAPS
From the pics you can see the difference in using marushin caps or mgc caps. Using marushin you get a lot of sparks which is pretty impressive when firing long bursts, or you can have the mgc caps which are a little louder and have a bit more power, which is never a bad thing. Smoke wise it does not seem to make any difference which caps i use a lot of smoke is still producedand as i use light oil to lube the rounds you have that mixed in as well, great for smokers. But you can put up with the smoke as it is an enhancement to the whole effect. I cannot decide between the caps, so i will have to fire a load more rounds of each until i can.
CLEANING AFTER FIRING
As with all modelguns cleaning after firing is essential especially for the barrel pin detonator which gets gummed up a lot. Fortunately stripping the Chicago is easy. First take the shoulder stock off then undo 1 allen bolt in the rear body underside then 2 srews at the front underside and the main body comes apart revealing the bolt and spring. The spring is held in place by a large pin that goes through the rear of the body you simply depress this pinand pull the spring out, the bolt is then pulled to the rear and out it comes.
To take the barrel pin out you need to remove the ejector first this is on the underside on the gun wher the drum mag locates, 1 screw holds this in. The barrel pin is housed in it's own metal cylinder and it is the cylinder that has to be removed it is held in place by 1 screw on the underside of the barrel just below the rear of the front grip. Clean and oil and replace in reverse order.
Sorry if the description is not great but if you get a Chicago it will be obvious.
CONCLUSION
This is a top class mosel in every respect, it looks good, it weighs a lot, it's solidly made and it performs flawlessy, i really cannot praise it enough.
It will jam but again that is part and parcel of the rounds working properly and out of nearly 160 rounds only 2 failed, now for a model gun that is good. The shoulder stock is a bit loose not so that you would notice when firing but if you get hold of it it wrattles a bit, but it is a removable stock so you have to accept that.
All in all a damn good model, top marks to MGC for re-releasing it.


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Which is louder, 7mm caps or the old paper caps?
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PostSubject: Re: MGC Thompson Modelgun... A Full Review...   MGC Thompson Modelgun... A Full Review... Icon_minitimeThu Dec 14, 2023 2:51 pm

Dear all,

Im interested in the MGC Thompson M1921 model. I found one with a price of 1.290 euros.

Is this price "normal" for a MGC thompson or is this too much?

Glad to hear from you guys.

Thanks in advance.

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PostSubject: Re: MGC Thompson Modelgun... A Full Review...   MGC Thompson Modelgun... A Full Review... Icon_minitimeThu Dec 14, 2023 11:18 pm

Hi, Check out MG Props, they are advertising a MGC Tommy Gun for 515 Euros.

Andy

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PostSubject: Re: MGC Thompson Modelgun... A Full Review...   MGC Thompson Modelgun... A Full Review... Icon_minitimeThu Dec 21, 2023 1:06 am

Hi Andy,

Thabks for the reply. Yes i found exactly later that thay MG props. Another question of mine is, how good this mgc weapon might be, im thinking of converting into a blank firing one. I recently found a m1928 blank firing kit on the website of indianapolis ordnance.

Will these parts fit into the MGC model 1928 and if yes, is it worth it?

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PostSubject: Re: MGC Thompson Modelgun... A Full Review...   MGC Thompson Modelgun... A Full Review... Icon_minitimeThu Dec 21, 2023 9:33 am

The MGC Thompsons are nowhere near strong enough to handle the power of Blanks.


Do not, under any circumstances, attempt to fire Blanks with them. You will most likely destroy the modelgun and very possibly injure yourself or anyone in close proximity.


I have seen a model STEN that someone had fired Blank 9mm rds. The model was destroyed. I don't know what happened to the guy holding the gun .....

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Dear Cerwyn,

Thank you for your reply and concern. I will keep it like it is and not try to convert or tamper with the model.

Have a good day.

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