| Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:22 am | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:23 am | |
| Post by Madmike Yes it is an excellent review! It helped me deciding to buy the Marushin XM 177 E2 a lot. I love the old factory built version but it was too expensive for me. So I bought the kit which is not too bad at all. Sadly it was VERY expensive here in Germany, even as a kit. But I have not yet given up dreaming of an factory assembled XM 177 E2 ... | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:23 am | |
| Post by Mark Yes, that was an excellent review! (One of the best in fact)
The factory assembled (older) version of the Marushin XM177 still had the heavy cast zinc bolt carrier that wasn't reliable due to the extra weight so, Marushin replaced it with the lighter aluminum bot carrier that added to the reliability.
The cast zinc flash hider might have been the best part of the older XM along with the 30 round Marushin magazine! | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:25 am | |
| Post by R22master Thank you all for your kind responses. The review was great fun to do and it has introduced a fair few new people to ModelGuns that would otherwise not have heard of them. I didn't even know this forum existed before Rizzo pointed it out to me a few days ago, but here I am, signed up and ready for fun If you have any questions about the review or the gun itself, feel free to ask. Now what shall I review next? Cheers all _________________ R22Master: Cunningly disguised as a mature adult -> | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:28 am | |
| Post by Madmike Hello! If you want a ready to fire AR-15 Carbine, I´d recommend to get the MGC M-725 M16A2 Carbine. It is for sale for USD 143 at denTrinity currently. http://www.dentrinityshop.com/pl_collector2.jsp?cid=COL&bid=MGUN This gun comes fully assembled and works very reliable out of the box. I think it is realistic. Pros: bargain price, very realistic detailed bolt, very reliable in semi and full auto, comes ready asembled. Cons: receiver is Heavy Weight plastic. I have both, the MGC and the Marushin XM177E2. The Marushin needs much more work to get and keep it in full working order. | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:29 am | |
| Post by Illuminati i also had the m16a2 - but my reciever wasnt heavy weight plastic, is was metal.. which is odd. but as for realism etc its great, good weight, great price, and i never got 1 jam, ever! | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:30 am | |
| Post by SgtPadrino Got the kit in the mail the other day... it's been an adventure, to say the least. I didn't have any problems with assembling the receiver, but I got to the barrel and things just plummeted downhill. The charging handle is now firmly lodged inside the damned thing, leaving me scratching my head as to how that happened (had no problems inserting it, along with the bolt, which slides both in and out with relative ease) and how to fix it.
Took the entire thing apart last night and I'm going to tackle it again tonight. The next gun I get is going to come fully damned assembled, no matter what the cost or method of payment is. | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:31 am | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:32 am | |
| Post by SgtPadrino Actually, I think I've got the charging handle thing sorted out; I think I put the wrong spring into the latch, so I have to practically manually unlatch it to pull it back. For some reason though, the bolt is also catching on something; going to have to fix that too. Also, I can't seem to find the spring for the selector switch, so that thing's going to be pretty much useless until I do find it. The barrel is also incredibly wobbly and the magazine catch is way too sensitive, but I doubt that'll be much of a problem. Watch my anger rise as I solve all these problems and the gun won't fire when it's all put together | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:33 am | |
| Post by Mark SgtPadrino,
Make sure that the firing pins retaining pin is staked in place in the bolt carrier assy or it might move side to side when it is installed into the upper receiver and lock up the action.
The barrel sould not be wobbly at all, especially if the barrel nut has been tightened enough. As for the magazine catch, turn the catch assy inwards in a few more turns and it should tighten up considerably. _________________ Wanted to buy: MGC Sten MK3....trades?(still)
MGC MP40 Marushin MP40 Nakata MP40 TRC MP40
Modelgun manufacturers, past and present:CMC,CAW,Hudson,HWS,LS,MGC(R.I.P. 1960's~2007) Marushin,Marui,Kokusai,Shoei,Tanaka and Western Arms | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:33 am | |
| Post by SgtPadrino Well, luckily for me a local gunsmith was happy to finish the job for me. The upside is I now know how an AR-15 works, anyway.
Quick question, does the M4A1 magazine fit the XM177? | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:34 am | |
| Post by Madmike No. Sadly only the current Marushin 20 rd steel mags and the old Marushin aluminum 30 rd mags fit to the Marushin AR-15s. Some say you can modify a real AR-15 mag, but this means modifying the mag catch whole, the feed lips and the spring, so it is quite tricky.
MGC mags have a slightly different size and do not fit. | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:35 am | |
| Post by 2sharp - MadMike wrote:
- No. Sadly only the current Marushin 20 rd steel mags and the old Marushin aluminum 30 rd mags fit to the Marushin AR-15s. Some say you can modify a real AR-15 mag, but this means modifying the mag catch whole, the feed lips and the spring, so it is quite tricky.
MGC mags have a slightly different size and do not fit. A magazine for the British "L85A1" fit my XM-177 perfectly, didn't fire it very much though. | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:36 am | |
| Post by Madmike Do they feed right? That would be a great substitute for the expensive and hard to find 30 rd marushin mags! | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:38 am | |
| Post by Claymore Yep big problem with HW material, slides break very easy if you get a jammed round and HW barrels in some models are an absolute nightmare. HW is great for look and weight but there are some parts on these models that would just be far better making in plastic, would be cheaper as well i would of thought. | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:39 am | |
| Post by Mark Guys,
I have fired all of my HW modelguns with many rounds and I have handled them/field stripped them many times in the years that I have had them. I have not had any breakages aside from the firing pin on my KSC M93R due to "dry firing"
Not saying that any one here does this but, if you treat HW modelguns like they where made out of steel then they will break. If you handle them like they are toys and be careful with them they will last along time. The HW compound can be fragile especially in cold weather and it will not withstand side impact very well as the HW plastic is simply ABS resin with zinc powder mixed into it. The zinc of course, never liquefies during the injection phase and remains suspended in the ABS plastic. This creates all sorts of weak spots depending on the amount of zinc powder that is introduced into the ABS.
Marushin seems to have very strong HW guns and they seem to know just how much zinc it takes to make a strong yet fairly heavy modelgun. A while ago, I dropped my HW Marushin PPK/s 6' onto an edge on my safe. It hit the edge of the safe with the slide. The only damage caused by dropping it on the edge was a tinny chip broke out of the sight "rail" This chip is merely an appearance problem that's all.
Now, some HW modelguns are fragile due to the real gun design than the material due to the complex contours and modern steels allow firearms to be thin yet strong. When these guns are copied as HW modelguns, they don't have the benefits of these material strengths due to Japanese law(s)
Now, do you fire/handle your prized MGC/KSC/Marushin/Tanaka/CAW etc? Depends on a few things I would think.
1. The available parts situation. (in case it breaks.)
2. How you handle it. (Rough? Nicely?)
3. Manufacturer. (see 1.) _________________ Wanted to buy: MGC Sten MK3....trades?(still)
MGC MP40 Marushin MP40 Nakata MP40 TRC MP40
Modelgun manufacturers, past and present:CMC,CAW,Hudson,HWS,LS,MGC(R.I.P. 1960's~2007) Marushin,Marui,Kokusai,Shoei,Tanaka and Western Arms | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:40 am | |
| Post by DOC I`ve had the same breakage as madmikes but on an M4A1, I`ve also heard about at least two more going the same place . In addition my HW bolt carrier has developed a nice long crack although this seems to still be working ok for the moment. In my opinion this HW is no way near as durable as the ABS , my tip : If funds allow it buy one ABS for use and one HW for very light use or display/collecting .
I`d also agree Marushins HW is better than this latest MGC stuff .
DOC _________________ We need guns...lots of guns....
.... well anything mechanical that can kill people is interesting ... | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:41 am | |
| Post by Mark Doc,
I have noted that with my HW M4 and the M725, that the receivers take-down pin has been exceptionally tight. I am sure that this is true on all of the HW MGC M16's Just why this is true I haven't taken the time to investigate. The fact that the pin is hard to push out just might be causing the uppers to break in that fashion.
There just might be some binding between the upper receiver and the lower that should be eliminated. I think other than the occasional weak HW component (due to air pockets etc in the ABS/zinc mix etc) that there are other reasons why the HW models break. _________________ Wanted to buy: MGC Sten MK3....trades?(still)
MGC MP40 Marushin MP40 Nakata MP40 TRC MP40
Modelgun manufacturers, past and present:CMC,CAW,Hudson,HWS,LS,MGC(R.I.P. 1960's~2007) Marushin,Marui,Kokusai,Shoei,Tanaka and Western Arms | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:42 am | |
| Post by Madmike I didn´t mean to put anyone done, neither to blame MGC. But my M725 was almost new, never fired when it broke, and I really handled it with care. Maybe it was faulty from production, I don´t know. I still like my MGC AR-15s very much and I would recommend them without thinking a second. But I thought it would be fair to warn others and tell them about my bad luck. | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:43 am | |
| Post by Mark Hi MadMike,
I didn't intend to suggest that you treat your MGC's roughly in any way. I know that you enjoy your M16's more than any other guns. I also know that you would not abuse them in any way. There are however, people that I know that don't take care of their modelgun(s) or treat them with respect. (I have been guilty of that myself)
I showed one of my favorite modelguns (HW KSC M93R) to a friend and he handled it like it was a real, steel gun before I stopped him and related that it was a brittle toy.
Things happen to us all and sometimes to our modelguns as well.. _________________ Wanted to buy: MGC Sten MK3....trades?(still)
MGC MP40 Marushin MP40 Nakata MP40 TRC MP40
Modelgun manufacturers, past and present:CMC,CAW,Hudson,HWS,LS,MGC(R.I.P. 1960's~2007) Marushin,Marui,Kokusai,Shoei,Tanaka and Western Arms | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin XM177E2 Plug-fire Review Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:44 am | |
| Post by Spencerman - mark wrote:
I showed one of my favorite modelguns (HW KSC M93R) to a friend and he handled it like it was a real, steel gun before I stopped him and related that it was a brittle toy.
I too have made that mistake once. Now I tend to be a little more reluctant to hand my babies over to anyone, after a friend of mine absolubtly loved one of my pistols, and couldnt resist tucking it into his waist band to reenact some bad cop movie. Before I could say anything he had drawn it out, scratching the slide on his belt buckle. The upside was that over time the scratch faded, but the memory of that heart rendering moment lives on in my memory. | |
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