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PostSubject: Wa Shan M9 Dolphin   Wa Shan M9 Dolphin Icon_minitimeTue Aug 12, 2008 5:16 pm

Post by Spencerman

For my second review I thought that I would continue with my favourite, and possibly least known modelgun manufacturer, Wa Shan, by doing a review on the M9 'Dolphin'.

I am sure that you are all aware, but I shall cover the basics anyway, that the M9 is the military designated veriant of the M92, and that the phrase 'dolphin' is given by Beretta to the fully auto switchable variants of thier guns. I dont know why, I see no connection between Flipper and a machine gun myself, but there it is.

Here is the box, not a musical box, but a rather plain box, similr to the Glock one, and again resembling the kind of packaging that you would find sucha gun presented in a few years ago.

Wa Shan M9 Dolphin P2230275

Now, lets see exactly what is inside the box...

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Once again, you get the gun, again this is quite obvious. You get 1 magazine. A manual with less sheets than the Bounty advert, covering the bare essentials, spray diagram etc. Once again, who you buy this from determines how many rounds you get with it. I got half a dozen of those fantastic disposeable rounds (I will do a review on those seperatly soon, as they are great) and the same number of re-useable ones. Soem places give you a full magazines worth, in this case, 15 rounds. You also get the loading tool. Next I guess I should show the gun both sides, so that you can see the markings.

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Now, this gun has many flaws, many more than the Glock, so I shall cover what I found shortly, but I dont belive in starting a review with the bad points, that would just put you off the gun, so I shall start with a few plus points. The first, and most obvious, is that the gun is full metal. This gives you a nice cold feel and a solidness about it. On a negative point, the gun is black, painted black just like any Bruni or Reck Beretta you may have owned, but there is a good side to this also. The gun is not styled and does not work like the above mentioned Blank guns, so the reality of the piece is far greater. The barrel is, as you would expect, floating, although unlike the MGC version it does not have the correct ejection port/barrel locating lugs, and is all concealed like the blank versions.

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It also doesnt have the little block on the rear of the gun that moves up when the trigger is pulled (I do not know the part name), just in front of the rear sight.

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The location of the ejection port is in the correct place, whereas if you look on blank guns it is set much further back.

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The markings as you can see are not quite correct. It does have a sort of Beretta logo on the grip, but it is wrong, not quite right, but not miles away either.

The barrel is a point of much dissapointment, as it is far too thin for a 9mm. This is something that I rectified on my version because it bugged me so much by fitting an insert. On a big plus point it did make a beautiful clink noise when the slide was drawn back. You can see that in the next picture.

Wa Shan M9 Dolphin P2230285

The good news is that there is no barrel blockage, unlike the MGC version.

Wa Shan M9 Dolphin P2230291

Now, the really good point of this model is that it is reliable, out of the box. It fires really well, and I believe that it can use the MGC P220 rounds without modification. It also fire full auto. For those who are not familiar with this model, the instructions do not show this, but you have a safety switch on the left of the slide, and a selector on the right. In order to switch from single shot to full auto, you have to pull the switch out to the right and drop it down. To switch back you have to pull it out to the right and push it up. I had a problem with mine here, as the screw sheared off and popped out, making it awkward for me to change the settings. I can rectify this with a longer screw, but have no need to at this moment in time. Here is the gun compared next to the MGC model 92.

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One of the other points that I noticed is the lack of any colour on the Wa Shan models, except for black. They do not have the Red colour on the safety catches 'live' select, or on the loaded indicator on the ejection rod, or on the sights where needed. On this particular model it should have a white dot on the right of the slide on the fire selector, instead of the red one for the safety. This is also blank, as is the white dots/lines for the sights.

I have to honest, I prefer the look of the MGC one. The whole different tone finish that it has going on is great, compared to the flat black look of the Wa Shan version. Then there is the whole correct trademarks thing that it has going on. For me that is pretty important. Not essential, but pretty important. If I had the choice between a model with the correct trademarks, and one with the wrong ones, or none at all, I would sooner pay a little bit more for the one with them. Also the realism of the MGC one beats the Wa Shan hands down. But...The MGC gun is not fully auto! Wa Shan M9 Dolphin Icon_twisted

Between the Full auto and the Full metal and the superb reliability of this gun, it kind of sways in its favour a little more than the MGC version, and I know that you would all have watched Kickbacks video of full auto goodness which shows just how good this model works. In conclusion, buy both the MGC model and the Wa Shan version, because I cannot choose between them as to which one I would prefer. I wouldnt like to be without either.

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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan M9 Dolphin   Wa Shan M9 Dolphin Icon_minitimeTue Aug 12, 2008 5:17 pm

Superb review Spencerman! Well done mate!

It has certainly wetted my appetite for one of these beauties.

How about a strip down and inspection guide next please? I'd like to see what these are like internally Wa Shan M9 Dolphin Icon_smile

I eagerly await your review of these disposable rounds. You mentioned their compatable with the P220s so I'm curious to know if they'd work in any gun using P220s? A converted Marushin UZI for example?

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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan M9 Dolphin   Wa Shan M9 Dolphin Icon_minitimeTue Aug 12, 2008 5:18 pm

Post by Spencerman

Sorry Cerwyn, I forgot to show the gun stripped down, again. Wa Shan M9 Dolphin Icon_redface I had to edit my Glock review because I forgot them. Anyway, here they are.

I have already checked that my gun is not loaded and the magazine is removed. In order to strip the model 92, simply push in the slide stop release button on the right hand side and lower the lever on the left of the frame. The whole top section will slide forward, slide and barrel etc.

Wa Shan M9 Dolphin P3230057

Then, to remove the slide simply slide the whole lot forwards until it is clear of the frame slide rails.

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From there you can continue to strip parts out as far as you want to go, from the basic strip down here, to a complete strip down with all the little bits and bobs.

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To reassemble it is simply the reverse process to what you have done to strip it, reassembling the top assembly, slide and barrel etc. and simply sliding it into position and raising the lever again to lock it into place.
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan M9 Dolphin   Wa Shan M9 Dolphin Icon_minitimeTue Aug 12, 2008 5:21 pm

Post by Claymore

nice review spencerman, i have to agree that this model is the best wa shan and does work great both semi and full auto it works even better with p220 rounds ands is the only model i have that works well with magnesium powder added ( i do have a vid of it firing with mag powder in the vid section or wherever we talked about muzzle flash).
i am really intersted in these disposabal rounds as i never got any with my model. as for the pin that holds the selector switch in, yes its a pain i put loctite screw glue on mine after it came out and it is holding the screw fine, kickback loosons his off when he wants to move the selector which makes sense as it is a weak spot. i have to say i dont mind the larger barrel as long as the gun fires well i can put up with it and of course pretend its 40 cal. this is the best wa shan as i say i have a glock the sig and the 45 and the dolphin is the best of course the full auto helps, a lot!.
cerwyn i will bring mine up for you Wa Shan M9 Dolphin Icon_biggrin
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan M9 Dolphin   Wa Shan M9 Dolphin Icon_minitimeTue Aug 12, 2008 5:22 pm

claymore wrote:
i am really intersted in these disposabal rounds as i never got any with my model.
cerwyn i will bring mine up for you Very Happy
I'm also intrigued by these disposabable rounds. If they are as disposabable as I'm hoping they would make life so much easier if Iu could use them in different models
Yes please Clay' I'd like to see your Dolphin please !
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan M9 Dolphin   Wa Shan M9 Dolphin Icon_minitimeTue Aug 12, 2008 5:22 pm

Post by Spencerman

These are the desposeable rounds in their boxes, the pink ones are 7mm and the blue ones are 5mm caps. I do not know where to buy them by the box, or I would buy thousands myself.

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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan M9 Dolphin   Wa Shan M9 Dolphin Icon_minitimeTue Aug 12, 2008 5:23 pm

I wonder if Francky or shazhib can help track these down?

I have no idea how these work, could they be loaded into any pfc gun (of the right calibre etc) and fired or would different det pins and chambers need fitting?

Is that white disc in the cartridge the charge?

I'm assuming that the 7mm ones are compatable with P220 rounds, but the fact there are 5mms available too suggests more options.

If these are available and cheap enough they'd be brilliant in any Cartridge guzzling SMG

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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan M9 Dolphin   Wa Shan M9 Dolphin Icon_minitimeTue Aug 12, 2008 5:24 pm

Post by shazhib

Don't think this is from Japan, have no idea.
I'm curious too as to how this works. Disposable? sounds very charming.

Tanio Koba is planning to release diposable rounds version of 1911 in April, have not heard anything yet.

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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan M9 Dolphin   Wa Shan M9 Dolphin Icon_minitimeTue Aug 12, 2008 5:25 pm

Post by Spencerman

I have assumed that the 5mm ones are for the smaller guns that Wa Shan make, such as the ppk or colt pocket etc. and that the 7mm ones are for the 9mm guns such as this one, the Glock and the Sig etc. The white 'primer' is as far as I am aware the charge. They seem to be constructed of one pice body, but still with same sort of functioning as the reuseable ones, although they do expand when they are fired, so you couldnt reuse them. I would also assume that they would work in any gun that uses the mgc220 round without any modification, so there would be plenty of possibilities for such a throw away option.
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PostSubject: Re: Wa Shan M9 Dolphin   Wa Shan M9 Dolphin Icon_minitimeTue Aug 12, 2008 5:25 pm

Post by jim

The news isn't too good...when I was in Taipei last month I asked around and nobody really know what happens to Wa Shan...they keep an extremely low profile lately...so I believe new guns, parts and the disposable rounds shall be out of the question from now on...

Found a website stating that all the Wa Shan guns as well as the disposable rounds could be purchased through mail order in Taiwan...but I couldn't find it anymore and I always suspected that was a con.

A rumour...somebody who used to work for Wa Shan are now helping the black market to make or convert SMGs - hopefully this isn't true.

But by the way, even before the modelgun ban in Taiwan the Wa Shan products were notorious for their ability to be easily-converted into a live-firing weapon (of course only using the specially-made ammo from the black market - otherwise the gun and the man will be blown off after several shots). With the special low-powered ammo I think the gun will only blow off after 20~30 shots Wa Shan M9 Dolphin Icon_lol .

I want to see if Shazhib remembered that a Japanese man bought a converted Wa Shan pistol from Taiwan and then he was caught in Narita Airport and charged with firearm offences back in the early 90s (around 92~93). At the time the Wa Shan guns were more durable and realistic and the barrels used to be thicker.

Finally I think I'm off the topic once again so...nice Wa Shan M9 Spencerman! I wish I can get one Wa Shan M9 Dolphin Icon_lol !
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