HELP!! Need a pistol Identified please

Hi have looked all over but cannot find out what this is???
Please can any help with info or point me to where I may get some on this one:



Thanks!!

Hi JohnnyV;

It kinda seems to have a Derringer characteristic and this is a link to a Colt version of a Derringer
http://www.icollector.com/Colt-First-Model-Derringer-41-cal-2-1-2-barrel-blue-and-silver-finish-2926-British-proofed_i8786971

It looks like some kind of European derivative maybe - and it sure is an ugly looking thing - whatever it is.
A Derringer mutation gone wrong?

Hope someone can be more definitive.

Kiwigunner

It is "like" a muff pistol, but has some features that are very different
1 The button trigger (the "normal" looking trigger part is just a finger rest)
2 The hinged tray, no nipple for percussion cap, just a space? a thin cap could go in there but would be facing the wrong way to normal? there is a pinhole to allow ignition to the barrel.
3 nornally on this type barrel would unscrew to allow loading with powder and ball, this one would need to be rammed from front.


Very different to the norm??? not sure if early toy or what???
I was hoping one of our US friends could shed some light they know their guns!!

My second guess is some type of small bore parlour (Amer.=parlor) pistol that used a special cap and a small lead-ball with a cavity o hold a little gunpowder!

I'm probably miles away from reality, but it's fun to guess! Very intriguing.
Question: Is the round finger stop the same diameter as the cap holder recess?
And if so was it used to help form the cap maybe?

Kiwigunner

Hi
Thanks for thinking about this:)

The bore is about 10mm and the pin hole small so I think any powder charge would not get through the flash hole as much as it would blast out the side? so I "think" just a cap in the cavity and main charge in the barrel, but really still no idea
It is heavy and solid.....

The closest looking match in my books is the already mentioned National No. 1 Derringer (1860-65) and No. 2 Derringer which was bought out by Colt in 1870 and became Colt No. 2 Derringer. No clue about the cavity and mechanism though...

Maybe a copy/imitation from the era, if not modern?

Pretty sure its not modern, I know what you mean about the Derringer look but its that "button" trigger, and the disk primer setup thats causing the problems....
Of course could be home made, but its so well made.....

I can find NO other small pistol with the trigger/disk primer like that???,,,,,
must be a reference out there somewhere....

the fire mecchanism look like the old remingont first model vest pocket handgun..

Thanks luchs
I am googling now... but do you have any good links for that ?

EDIT
OK had a good look at the remy vest one, can see what you mean ish, but the primer system on this is weird....
Also that Button trigger.........finger rest is so unique...

after some research i thing that you have a "parlor pistol"..
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7159977
parlor pistols were handgun made for indoor shooting end shott a littl epellts to a range of about ten meter..
in europe are best know as "flobert" gun form the name of the maker of the small catridger..
yours look a earlier type the use a small cap of fuliconate to shot a small lead pellets ,may be a blank only versione..
phershap us made because do non have the proof marking that was common on the european gun..