MP5 with a Difference...

Ok thanks a lot Jim!!
Well, maybe a day the mp5 model gun version...Keep dreaming.

Cerwyn & Momo,

This MP5's from the same source of my previous Hong Kong made full-steel dummy guns (i.e. from a skillful theatrical armourer) and this time he made 30 pcs MP5 variants altogether...

Since cap firing is illegal here in HK so he won't consider making the cap firing version (and cap firing mechanism is more complicated beyond his ability)...

The price of this...? 2,500 Euro !!! (maybe a bargain for Shazhib & other Japanese guys here who can only buy weld-solid deacts with this amount)

Note: I've never disclose any of these dummy guns anywhere - only here in MP40 (don't wanna get in trouble on local forums)!

2500 euros!!!! arrrggggg....
Ok I think it's really a good thing that it's not a model gun, like that I don't have to buy it .....
Well more I know you Jim, more I think you are a crazy guy And I always wonder how many guns you vould have
Anyway, thanks for sharing your collection with us

I've never really figure out how many guns I have...roughly >200 (any gun-shaped objects including springers) Compared to many dedicated collectors I'm just a small potato

More than 200!!!!!
Arrgggg again.....
I can't believe it and at the same time I am sure it's true.
Really unbelievable...
I wonder how do you do to stock them? Do you stay them in their boxes or not?
That's is really a collection !
Congralutations.

I bet you only had a 5 or 7 in the beginning, but they started to multiply?
I found it happened to me too ;-) First I looked at folks like Mark, Cerwyn who posted more reviews than I ever thought I would have modelguns. And then, well.., I am still (very) far from 200 though. Guess we need to make up names for scaling collectors - if you are small potato, I can't even be a small fish ;-D

Storage is an issue. I use boxes (original or made-up) for majority. Some of models are going to a display cabinet as soon as I can find good (and reasonably cheap) transparent stands for them.

(sorry for thread hijack!)

Storage is the big issue, isn't it?
We have to have safes for our collections in Cal, or you can actually get in trouble (you get a letter every time you buy a new handgun, reminding you, that if anyone gets your gun because it was improperly secured, you could be liable), so it can be an expensive pain, too.

Your builder really is skilled, Jim!
Every so often you run into really skilled people in the movie industry it attracts the mad genius' gene.

What is your next assignment for him?



Pit.

Momocampo wrote:

More than 200!!!!!
Arrgggg again.....
I can't believe it and at the same time I am sure it's true.
Really unbelievable...
I wonder how do you do to stock them? Do you stay them in their boxes or not?
That's is really a collection !
Congralutations.

OK first answering your doubts Momo...

I stock them in many ways (I believe just like what Smootik & many others does) but I'll try to tell how I store:

- guns in high value but not my top favourites will be in their original boxes;
- long arms will be either hang up on the wall or on the rack (not too many inside their box);
- some 50 pistols kept inside a wood cabinet with sand-blast glass door;
- new pistol(s) will usually on the side of my sofa therefore very handy for the first few days (or hours - if I get more than one at the same time )
- top favorite pistols (namely the steel dummy Colt DS / Beretta 92FS / SIG P250 etc)...next to my pillow

smootik wrote:

I bet you only had a 5 or 7 in the beginning, but they started to multiply?
I found it happened to me too ;-) First I looked at folks like Mark, Cerwyn who posted more reviews than I ever thought I would have modelguns. And then, well.., I am still (very) far from 200 though. Guess we need to make up names for scaling collectors - if you are small potato, I can't even be a small fish ;-D

Storage is an issue. I use boxes (original or made-up) for majority. Some of models are going to a display cabinet as soon as I can find good (and reasonably cheap) transparent stands for them.

(sorry for thread hijack!)

No problem Smootik - that's why "Chinese Whispers" are fun to play

Yes - my collection grows rapidly since 2004 when I returned to HK from Australia (after my real pistols were forcibly taken away by the government in response to a school shooting not committed by me)...

And sorry guys no offence to anyone for my small potato comparison ...

pitfighter wrote:

Storage is the big issue, isn't it?
We have to have safes for our collections in Cal, or you can actually get in trouble (you get a letter every time you buy a new handgun, reminding you, that if anyone gets your gun because it was improperly secured, you could be liable), so it can be an expensive pain, too.

Your builder really is skilled, Jim!
Every so often you run into really skilled people in the movie industry it attracts the mad genius' gene.

What is your next assignment for him?



Pit.

Same for me and others regarding pistol storage: we need to have thick steel safe bolted to the concrete ground (using at least 2 so-called "explosive" screws)

I'm not in the position to give the guy any assignment unless I can afford his "One-Off Custom" (somebody did: he hand-made one and only Borchardt pistol before)...but next he'll make some AK variants and Glocks in his mind as well (if so I'll get a G18C)...or actually I did: I always urged him to make FN FAL / CZ75 and more revolvers (which he had difficulties adjusting the cylinder) such as M10 / M686 ...

Before that he made Remington M870 and both short & long Colt: with short (pistol) as the Defender the long one...I'll show you guys asap (got it for over a now but to my surprise I'd never show you guys)...

Easy Hint: I'd complained here before that with so many M16A1 and M4 replica rifles on the market it seems one piece's missing...

You know how to keep the fire fueled, don't you?!

I am curious, mate!

Sorry Guys - too many things happened for the past few days (have to go to the Watch & Clock Fair for work as well as other issues)...more pictures & a video coming very very soon...

Trust Me - never intended to hold everyone up...

OK OK here we go ...




Something not too satisfied with the finish of the upper: it was painted with rough surface instead of blued so at times it feels like a cheap airsoft...


This "Kal 9x19mm" is stamped by VFC but then...


...the proofmarks and the s/n are restamped (not sure about "HK MP5": 1st batch was very light but later batches got better)


The bolt - before stripping this gun apart...


Again - just how realistic current GBBs are (supposed this one is a faithful MP5 replica)...


The Trigger Pack & Trigger Group...basically identical to VFC's (only for this everything includes the hammer are steel instead of alloy )...


Another thing that I don't appreciate after the paint: this gun is too greasy..the greasiest dummy gun I've ever had ...


With the hammer cocked...much harder than the GBB since the spring is rea..."original"...


The bolt assembly & recoil spring/rod...




I've only seen in flesh the bolt of the modified blank firing MP5 - since the original roller-delayed blowback mechanism have to be destroyed to make it simple blowback for blank firing...so is this a faithful replica anyone?


Before putting it all back...again I hate the paint on it (I'm almost certain I'll do something about it soon)!


The stock buffer & the recoil spring slightly different to the VFC GBB (since the springs are...original)


After wiping off most of the grease & tuning it slightly before assembly, loaded 7 inert rounds onto the original magazine and


Forget about me & the radio news: simply focus on the actions (if the last round flies as well then it'll be perfect)...


Finally...this gun's very hard and the rounds got beat up very quickly - can't imagine how many cap's needed for each round if this is a pfc (and how many spares needed)...

Please feel free to ask for something I've missed ! Thanks for Reading!

jim wrote:

Something not too satisfied with the finish of the upper: it was painted with rough surface instead of blued so at times it feels like a cheap airsoft...

I have never seen a blued Mp5, most have a baked on/somewhat rough finish, so your replica just might be spot on?

jim wrote:

I've only seen in flesh the bolt of the modified blank firing MP5 - since the original roller-delayed blowback mechanism have to be destroyed to make it simple blowback for blank firing...so is this a faithful replica anyone?

As far as I can say it is very, very accurate, only detail is the firing pin hole of course Can the bolt and bolt carrier be taken apart further?
There should be a locking bar on the left side of the bolt carrier*, when this is pressed the bolt should be ale to turn, and at 45 degrees the bolt should be possible to pull forward and off the bolt carrier.

The trigger housing and trigger pack looks great really, if you turn the safety straight up, past the "S" marking you should be able to pull it straight out and the lift the trigger pack sttraight out of the trigger housing.

Here's a manual with a few detailed drawings:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21560628/Hk-Mp5-Armorer-Instructions-Manual

Man, I haven't been visiting here for ages, popped in as I had gotten a PM and stumbled on this This is really awesome, I love your dedication to these dummy guns!

More pics!!!




*I might be confusing the locking bar with the G3, but the bolt should turn.

It does eject those rounds well i wonder how difficult it would be to get useing cp rounds

2Sharp wrote:

I have never seen a blued Mp5, most have a baked on/somewhat rough finish, so your replica just might be spot on?

There should be a locking bar on the left side of the bolt carrier*, when this is pressed the bolt should be able to turn, and at 45 degrees the bolt should be possible to pull forward and off the bolt carrier.

The trigger housing and trigger pack looks great really, if you turn the safety straight up, past the "S" marking you should be able to pull it straight out and the lift the trigger pack sttraight out of the trigger housing.

Well...basically I'd never fiddled with a brand new MP5...only the over-used kind-of-beat-up prop MP5s made by Pakistani's POF - so don't take my words for it ...but even if the black finish's baked - I believe it can be done better (I was told by the guy that before the baked paint the upper have to be blued as well so after the paint's come off it'll still look good )

All the parts can be taken apart just like the real steel (be it the bolt carrier & the trigger pack)...but I don't really dare to do it as it is beyond my skill (also might hurt my fingers when taking out this trigger group)...

claymore wrote:

It does eject those rounds well i wonder how difficult it would be to get useing cp rounds

I reckon only real rounds can cycle the actions with such heavy bolt & stiff springs...but then I don't know if the VFC upper can withstand such pressure...

You have a point regarding the finish It still looks awesome!

If you ever get the urge to take it apart I'd love to see pics! I understand your hesitation, I'd be that too if I'd bought such an exclusive replica!

Thanks for sharing it with us!