"Real Flame" Caps

Post by ljerr2

Has anyone given these a shot? I just got some from Francky and was thinking about running them through my MGC M92F to see what happens. If it is good, I may video it to post. I know if there is an effect, it will be muted in the PFC cartridge as opposed to a revolver. I also have a CAW SAA .45 revolver I could try it in but I just hate to fire it! By the way, it takes 3 caps per cartridge! I wish I had enough money to buy two of each model gun - one to collect and one to fire!

Post by reemo

I have used them. Clear plastic caps. Also very hard plastic.

They seem to vary batch to batch - in my case, the last batch I bought in the US was just "okay". No better than MGC yellow box.

No real "flame effect" either......

I did have one batch that was just STUFFED with powder.

It was the only time my UZI worked!! It was just scary powerful.....the blowback was so strong that the folding stock wouldnt stay folded and the gun was getting rocked to bits. No Kidding.

I wish they all were like that batch! The UZI was a handful - awesome.
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Post by Mark

ljerr2,

I have never tried the "real flame" caps as I really didn't think that they where any different than the Marushin or the MGC caps.

All of the 5 and 7mm caps that I know of are made by KaneCap in Japan and they just might have diferent formulations for the caps to make them have more pronounced sparks/flame effects.

Reemo,

The Uzi has to be one of the most tempremental modelguns and it's heavy zinc bolt crushes cartridges too but, it is very entertaining when it works..
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Post by Garyforce

ive not tried them but id be interested in seeing any pics or videos from anyone who has
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Post by Claymore
I got some off Jay and they are made by kanecap they look like marushin ones and so far (fired about 50) not impressive not as good as the usual caps and absolutly no flame effect.
I have 2 boxes i will try them in a short barreled auto next and see what happens, used them in an MGC automag and uzi so far.

I tried these in a M3A1 Grease Gun. Bit dissapointing really, no flame, just a few sparks like the normal Marushin 7mm's
Haven't tried them in my MP40 yet though although I can't see them being any different in that.

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Post by Mark

I'm thinking that the "Real Flame" on the packaging is a marketing ploy to sell this brand nothing more. It would be great to check the chemical composition of the "Real Flame" compared to the Marushin caps to see just how close they are.
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Post by Reemo

mark wrote:

ljerr2,
Reemo,
The Uzi has to be one of the most tempremental modelguns and it's heavy zinc bolt crushes cartridges too but, it is very entertaining when it works..

You're not kidding Mark!
The UZI is just a "love/hate" affair.
When it works, its great - but that is RARELY.
MAN, it doesnt want to eject/extract.
By the way - the "Francky Extractor"??? It was also WAY too wide for my latest model bolt. I cant use it.
Its too nice to grind down or "thin out" (all that nice chrome plating on it).
I'd say that the extractor is DEFINITELY the main problem with the Marushin UZI.

Post by Gatling

I shot some videos of my MGC M92FS using real flame caps:
http://home.online.no/~per-kr/gatling/Beretta_M92FS_1.avi
This is just regular MG caps.

http://home.online.no/~per-kr/gatling/Beretta_M92FS_2.avi
Here I also used MG caps, but placed a real flame cap at the front of the cartridge, so the detonator hit it directly. It did gave a lot of sparks and a more powerful sound, but still there is no flames. I guess Marushin caps would do the same job. A 5mm cap would probably be better as a 7mm real flame cap in the front made the mechanism fail.

Post by Mark

Cool videos Gatling!

I still prefer the MG Caps over all of the others as they seem to work the actions much better. also, I don't miss the "sparks" that the Marushins and other brands make. I have seen videos of modelguns firing nothing but MG caps and they still have the occasional spark or flame out the muzzle.

I am under the impression that the "RealFlame" name is just meant for advertisement reasons and the caps composition is not really any different than the MGcaps.
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Post by Gatling

Thanks Mark! Yep, the real flame name is probably just marketing. I thought I try some because they cost the same as other caps anyway

The real flame caps leaves a kind of white residue and when you touch it, it makes smoke, kinda strange

Post by INTERCEPTOR

Hehe, nice videos ^^

On the second, the muzzle flash is nice but you seemed to have some 'technical' matters during your show

I thought the flame caps were fairly more interesting to buy, but well, I think I'll stick to the regular ones ^^
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Post by Mark

I have noticed that the MG caps occasionally have exhibit the same white residue and when I wash the residue out it "smokes" it probably has to do with the phosphorus compound that they use in the "RealFlame" caps.

I really think that the choice of caps comes down to sparks or no sparks and the cool packaging
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Post by INTERCEPTOR



Hehe, yeah of course, it's always a matter of esthetics

At least to me ^^
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Post by Gatling

Well, I took the Beretta for a spin again today and primed the carts with only real flame caps. On a total of 6 cartridges, only 2 worked. Very disappointing results for the real flame caps I am afraid.

http://home.online.no/~per-kr/gatling/Beretta_M92FS_3.avi
Then I primed the carts with Marushin caps and put the powder charge from a real flame cap in font. Worked quite well actually, even got some full auto indication

So go for M.G. or Marushin caps!

Post by Mark

Again, nice video Gatling!

I think that perhaps you might be overloading the seals in your cartridges as well as the cartridge itself by using the double charge..The cartridges are too expensive for me to do that at least. I try not to wear them out faster than they do already!

I noticed that your finger on the trigger was as fast as the fullauto so, perhaps you where faster than you thought

In my opinion,

1. M.G. caps

2. Marushin (old style N/sparks)

3. Marushin (new W/sparks)

4. RealFlame
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Post by Gatling

I think the carts are ok, I placed the caps in the same way Francky illustrated it:

I also don't want to waste my cartridges I should get some more though, have only eight of them now.

Post by Claymore

Nice video. I have been wanting to try the Francky 2 cap system for a while just never got round to it, looks like it works fine a bit expensive for high capacity mags though.

I tried my real flame caps through a S&W 59 with open style rounds (recently bought from Francky) and to be honest not impressed (with the caps) a couple of rounds gave a good blast out of the ejection port rather than sparks but otherwise nothing like real flame. I also find that misfires happen more often with these caps and i dont think they are as powerful as MG or Marushin ones.
Think i will stick to MGC and marushin they work far better, also marushin rounds dont tend to lose the powder charge where my MGC ones fall out all the time.

Post by Mark

Gatling,

it's really not the placement of the caps that is the problem, it's the pressures that the dual caps produce. These pressures can distort or destroy your expensive cartridges.

Claymore,

Yes, the MGC caps do seem to loose their charge easily as I don't think that it's "glued" in very well especially in the earlier "open" cartridges whereas, in the closed later cartridges, the charge can move a little and still work.
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