err111 New Member
Number of posts : 2 Location / Country : Australia Registration date : 2016-12-09
| Subject: HUDSON AK47 REFUSED ENTRY BY CUSTOMS AS BLANK FIRING Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:07 am | |
| Hi Guys This how bad it gets.We imported a Hudson AK47 Cap firer and declared on our import docs exactly what it it is Cap firng and its been seized and its been declared as basically a real Blank firing AK.The Australian Federal police Forensics Examiner has done a report on it and declared it as such.Stating that the cartridges are Reloadable Blank Firing Ammunition and as such makes the model gun real.Also they had stated on the report that it had been test fired with assembled cap cartridges and operates exactly as per a live fire AK.I have imported these before no problem with classification as being a high end quality cap gun.They wont release it without me supplying a Home Affairs permit which can only be applied for a Government department.I am also a fully licenced live firearms collector which makes absolutely no difference to them.They want me to admit that I have imported a blank firing AK and falsely declared that its not a Cap Firer.Which I refuse to do out of principle. There is another company which has tried to fight there ruling in court and initially won his case against them.The AFP then decided to take the case to the Supreme Court,which decided that they couldnt make the final decision and the case was to go back to the magistrates court and be re-heard.The guy running the business at this stage had already outlayed $200,00 and had let the case go as they couldnt afford anymore outlays. In my situation they refuse to let anyone externally inspect the Hudson and are staying firm on the model gun being blank firing and the cartridges reloadable blank ammunition.I have already had reports done by Australian Army armourer and they wont accept or acknowledge there reports stating its a model gun and nothing else. So please if anyone can supply any legitimate helpful information it would be gratefully appreciated as I need to prove beyond any shadow of doubt the so-called forensics examiner is wrong. To add to to this the Examiner admitted in court that they couldnt get any caps to test fire it even though it states on there report it was test fired.They even added a internet site video which shows what looks to be a actual blank firing AK. P.S. These have been legally imported and brought into Australia since 1976 If I allow this to proceed then all of my collection will be declared Blank firing and will be seized and destroyed and myself prosecuted! I need to shift back to the UK
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c_alexandersen Modelgun Master
Number of posts : 294 Location / Country : Denmark Registration date : 2011-11-30
| Subject: Re: HUDSON AK47 REFUSED ENTRY BY CUSTOMS AS BLANK FIRING Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:27 pm | |
| Ouch sounds like a really nasty situation.
I don’t know if it can help you but technically real steel guns are made of steel (this is not to try joking) Model guns, including PFC are mostly made of ZAMAK instead of steel. You can google ZAMAK - also called white metal. Much weaker, not withstanding the forces from live ammunition. Authorities can argue they cannot tell the difference, it’s metal BUT steel is magnetic ZAMAK IS NOT so a simple magnet will tell the difference.
Without being a arms specialist I do assume that even blanks contains much larger powder charges than what’s in a cap. Ie a blank cartridge could very well make a PFC explode.
I hope the ZAMAK argument can maybe help you ? | |
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claymore Modelgun Perfectionist
Number of posts : 1249 Age : 64 Location / Country : London Registration date : 2008-09-07
| Subject: Re: HUDSON AK47 REFUSED ENTRY BY CUSTOMS AS BLANK FIRING Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:11 pm | |
| Mate its no different over here, importing airsoft guns can be a problem if you get the wrong customs people. Our police firearms dept's also are unbelieveably unknowledgeable when it comes to replica, blank firer etc and our laws are so confusing at times every county can have a differnent opinion on what is legal what is not, what is convertable and what is not and it never gets better. With the current state of terrorism and crime it just gives all countries to clamp down harder and harder on, anything gun related and over here knives and swords etc, i dont see it getting better in the future. | |
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err111 New Member
Number of posts : 2 Location / Country : Australia Registration date : 2016-12-09
| Subject: Re: HUDSON AK47 REFUSED ENTRY BY CUSTOMS AS BLANK FIRING Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:06 am | |
| Hi Guys I think one of the problems we have is that they can say anything they like and use bully boy tactics and because people dont want to argue with the likes of Customs/Afp as they can make your life hell.I just believe its wrong.That a lie or misinformation can be given and we have to just bow down to it and let Authorities get away with it.I ask you why should I give up a collection 20 years in the making,just because one person has given untruthful information.The law if abided to correctly is the fact that these are Model Guns and nothing more.We use them solely for Club events and displays only and they also do not get used with caps at all.I have been collecting over 40 years and now 63 years and 3 heart attacks in last 2 years all due to the stress and behavior being asserted by these guys.I think the only option is to fight them in Court and prove the incompetence of certain people.I think a stand needs to be taken to ensure that the correct laws are applied.If it costs another heart attack then so be it,they cant be allowed to get away with it and just take away all of my collection with no Compensation paid.People placed in Government need to be truthful and honest. Cheers Guys | |
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Catweazle New Member
Number of posts : 35 Location / Country : England Registration date : 2019-12-05
| Subject: Re: HUDSON AK47 REFUSED ENTRY BY CUSTOMS AS BLANK FIRING Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:48 pm | |
| - err111 wrote:
- Hi Guys
I think one of the problems we have is that they can say anything they like and use bully boy tactics and because people dont want to argue with the likes of Customs/Afp as they can make your life hell.I just believe its wrong.That a lie or misinformation can be given and we have to just bow down to it and let Authorities get away with it.I ask you why should I give up a collection 20 years in the making,just because one person has given untruthful information.The law if abided to correctly is the fact that these are Model Guns and nothing more.We use them solely for Club events and displays only and they also do not get used with caps at all.I have been collecting over 40 years and now 63 years and 3 heart attacks in last 2 years all due to the stress and behavior being asserted by these guys.I think the only option is to fight them in Court and prove the incompetence of certain people.I think a stand needs to be taken to ensure that the correct laws are applied.If it costs another heart attack then so be it,they cant be allowed to get away with it and just take away all of my collection with no Compensation paid.People placed in Government need to be truthful and honest. Cheers Guys How I envy the freedom of gun ownership in America, how I envy their second amendment, how I envy their NRA. They can walk into a supermarket and pick an assault rife of the shelf, as easily as picking up a tin of beans. I also envy their right to self defence. Here in the UK, if you defend yourself against a home invasion, and hurt the criminal, you will get arrested, and the criminal will get compensation! | |
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