Hudson M1 Garand and Hudson's M14

Post by erikthecat

hi.

i'm looking for information on working replica rifles and their associated accessories?

specifically Hudson M1 Garand, Hudson M14

are these still for sale, how much?
do they ever come up, how often if ever / how much?
are they any good mechanically / functionality speaking?
has anyone purchased one and regretted it?
are these considered better than say PFC model guns,
(i consider my PFC model guns as working model, cos they sure don't fire PFC's
would importing one into the UK be problematic?

thanks for your time,

regards,

GaRy:)
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Post by Mark

Hi Gary,

I have seen the Hudson M1 Garands and the M14's for sale but since they are display only items as many Hudson's are anyway I have avoided them. They can be expensive beasts in the $900-$1400 range. They are really good replicas that look the part and I think that the M14 is one of the best modelguns appearance wise that I have seen. I know that at least one forum member has a Hudson M1 Garand. I really am not sure that either the M1 or the M14 were meant to fire caps.

The M1 and the M14 have been recently modified by Hudson to work pneumatically though. In other words, they operate their actions and eject cartridges without the use of caps just air pressure! http://www.hudson-mfg.com/default/new/m1garand.htm

These are cool and they are still modelguns despite they use air not caps to operate their actions.

As far as regret on any of Hudson's products well....If you don't try to "shoot" them they are great and no regret other than the price can be found. If the intention was to "fire" them well you can tell...
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Post by shazhib

mate,

Both M14 and Garand is in production and you can count on for extra parts.
Price around JPY100k-120kand +10,000 for parkerized version. This is dummy cart model which you can enjoy an action manually but not with cap. I've seen both at the shop, have an impression with pretty good.

Also important to note is, they both have "Gas Operation" model which you can enjoy a blow back action outsource by Green Gas (co2). I have the one for M14, do enjoy rounds the action. Although, the motion is slightly slower than that of PFC powered, but I'm sure you can still enjoy. For M14, you can enjoy semi & Full auto action. For Garand, you can hear "ting" sound when a clip been ejected. I think you can get Gas Operation version somewhere +20k on top of dummy cart model, but the problem is, Hudson will not produce those models till order reservation reasches to a certain number.

If you are interested, I can share more information. Also, if you are seriously considering to buy this, maybe I can help.

Regards,

Post by 1911

I have a Hudson M14. It is a working display model, not a PFC. I would rated the appearance/functionality as 99.9% comparing to real steel (I had chance to shoot and operate M14 in military). Field strip like the real one.

If I remember correctly, Hudson used to run limited production PFC M14. Also for current production display models, there were two types - Blued and Parkerized. The parkerized version is more expensive. There were a few limited production models - Chrome version (Navy Honor Guard) & Prototype (T44).

I personally like the M14. But like Mark said it's not PFC model gun and it's not for him.

In terms of accessories, I do not really care that much because I like my 14 the way it is. Classic and timeless. Do not know if Airsoft RAS/RIS kits fit if that's what you are asking. But here is the Guarder Airsoft scope mount that fits.
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?itm=GD-SMB-NB24_srch_m14

Post by shazhib

1911,

Yes, PFC version of M14 does exist. However, I've never seen it any of modelgun shop site nor Hudson's. Also, I heard it cost almost JPY200k.

I remember there was also Proto Type, but this is again, very difficult to find nowaday. If somebody like not M14, but civilian version (the semi-full selector), there is a dummy cart model from Hobby Fix.

Hope this will helps.

Post by richard jones

I have a Hudson M1 Garand replica-fantastic and more or less exact detail wise as the original.Very very expensive for what it is new £575 but then again PFC guns are also very expensive new.

Mine accepts a real bayonet and will also load,cycle and eject real deact rounds.

I was lucky enough to have bought mine used as i cant afford to pay the new price.Would love an M14 but they are even expensive used as they are so sought after

Post by shazhib

Folks,

Here is some photos of Hudson M14 Gas Operaton model. As you can see from a first photo, this is how it attach an air regulator and green gas bottle.
I will post an action video when I sort out how to make Windows Media on Macintosh.

Cheers,

Post by Claymore

Now thats a nice looking modegun, gas operated sounds interesting as well though i am sure i have seen a vid (short one) of this firing. I have fired the electric airsoft version which ws nice but i missed the working action this is a model i think i would enjoy firing

Post by shazhib

Claymore,

I assume what you have seen is this, a video in Hudson's home page.
Here is the link for M14 and Garand.
As to M14, the video shows the rounds been ejected and thrown pretty far, however, mine won't thrown that far.

enjoy!

http://www.hudson-mfg.com/default/new/M14GASOP/M14Gasop.html
http://www.hudson-mfg.com/default/new/m1garand.htm

Post by MadMike

Really nice and realistic. I love the slow rate of fire. But this model does not fire BBs?

Post by erikthecat

shazhib wrote:

Here is some photos of Hudson M14 Gas Operation model.

shazhib,
do you own this model?
if you have time / the inclination, would you be able to supply images of the internals / filed stripped?
very interested to see if someone who is familiar with the 'real deal' can say how authentic it all look inside.
also,
thanks in advance.
as i asked in my earlier post,
would there be any problems importing to the UK,
apart from VAT / import duty and that nasty Post office handling fee?
regards,
GaRy:)

Post by Mark

Although I obviously don't live in the UK, I know that from the modelguns that the other UK members have bought and imported have not ran into many problems from customs. Now, as for the VAT etc. I don't have many reports of problems with that either..It all has to do it seems with the package weight and the individual officer that handles the packages...
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Post by MT01

Hi

Mark is absolutely right - I think it depends on the customs officer handling at the time, and to some extent the dollar value. For instance, had a pistol model kit delivered from Hong Kong a while back and was hit with customs charge. Spare parts from Francky, no charge. Most recently had an XM177E2 kit (large box) from Shazhib, Posted on a Friday and arrived on following Tuesday!! (excellent service and very helpful chap) and was not hit with any additional charges.

I think the rule has got to be however don't expect to get away with fees and make sure you budget for handling and customs.

Post by 1911

Please bare in mind that the Hudson M14 or M1 each weighted about 4kg without box. And the box is more than 1 meter long. it's definitely more noticable than other model gun boxes when importing from overseas.

Post by Claymore

shazhib, i had seen the M1 but not the m14, i now want the m14, no second thoughts i need the M14

Post by shazhib

Claymore,

Let me do some feasibility study here. I think this is a great model, always be a "pros" and "cons". Let me start from "cons"

- It is "Hudson"
- Not in a regular production basis. Production upon reach to a certain order reservation (I suppose 30 or so)
- Don't know how easy to get green gas or any substitute power source outside Japan. Also, I believe a screw of regulator is in metric standard, may have hard time for folks in US and UK to find matching power source to the regulator. Plastic pipe is 6mm in diameter.
- expensive
- not running great as "out of box". You need to do "sand & smooth" process. But it is not too bad, those who have an experience of making Marushin M16 kit or equivalent, then, won't be a big problem

Pros
- very few rifle modelgun with blow back action (though, it is by gas)
- great looking and weight
- It is "Hudson" in other way, the company is still in business so that there isn't a significant concern over replacement parts
- rounds are basically regular 308win, you don't have to buy extra from Hudson if you have any source to obtain "real" empty shell

Well, think about it. If you are serious, I'll be more than happy to help you out.

cheers,

Post by shazhib

Here is some additional photo. Sorry it is not fully exploded view, but hope this will give a bit of clue as to how Hudson M14 been made inside. I suppose some of parts may look unrealistic due to Gas Oprationized, dummy version should have fairly realistic mechnizm I assume.







Regards,