Some Swedish issued guns...

Post by 2sharp

I mentioned the Glock in another thread, that it had the three crowns on those issued to the Swedish armed forces.

I snapped a few pics today, hopefully they'll be ok

Here we go:

Our "Pistol 88", with some accessories
Ammo is the Swedish made "M39B" originally made for the Swedish M/45 SMG (the Swedish K) Which, incidentially is the inispiration for the S&W M76 as far as i know... Due to a thick and hard jacket (tombak) it operates with higher pressure then normal 9 mm ammo, so it wears the pistol harder. The old issue pistol (Husqvarna M/40/Lahti) literally was shot to pieces in many cases.


A closer lock, plain jane Glock, you can see the engraved three crowns just next to the Glock symbols on both the frame and the slide.
Also a bunch of 5.56 rounds a magazine loader from C-mag, quite a handy device i must say.


A better close-up on the engraved slide, looks nice and crisp! If rumor has it right this is made at the factory before applying the tenifer finish, as it is too hard to do it after the finish is applied. Cool in my book


Here you can see both the Glock logo and the crowns.


Same three crowns as on the slide, but here on the frame, not as clear or crisp though.


Glock, some linked rounds for the Ksp-90B/Minimi PARA seen in the lower part of the picture.
There's also a Remington 870 in the picture. What can beat a nice, worn, old skool slide action shotgun?


Here's a pic of the Ksp90B, definitely one of my fav guns of al time... usually i pack this, but not on this trip.
(just realized this wasn't the best pic really..)


Glock again, Arges made concussion grenade and a SureFire M2 light, Strider knives edition.

Hope that it was informative/entertaining/fun or anything else that brought a smile to your face
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Post by jim

OK 2Sharp thanks a lot...sweet

So the Swedish military's using high chamber pressure 9mm (mainly for SMGs) for pistols as well...remembered the US Army blamed the "hot" rounds after some of their Beretta M9s blown apart during the Gulf War...?

And, do you have the approx. figure of how many Glocks did the Swedish military ordered since introduction?

I can see that you're still using the old Glock frame...I might be old-fashioned but I just hate the rails and the grooves on the new pistols...

So only 9mm are used...how about the .40S&W in case the stopping power of 9mm is not enough...

Post by 2sharp



Yes, the Swedish police has been using the same round for practise in their Sig-Sauer pistols, this is now not allowed as it wore them out too rapidly. It does seem that the synthetic frame on the Glock flexes just enough not to crack.

I unfortunatly i have no idea on how many pistols that has been ordered through the years..

The old frames will be changed out, as the old one's wear out the rail frames will take their place.
I like the clean look of the old frames, but i find it very nice to be able to mount a white light to any gun really.

I'd be very surprised if any caliber changes would happen, we got piles on 9 mm ammunition left over from when the M/45 SMG was phased out, they are bought and paid for so it is cheap to use pistols.
Sweden doesn't really spend too much money on the military, and i think that any new firearm would be a very low priority.

I wouldn't mind having a pistol with a larger bullet, at the same time i think the 9 mm will do the job if the bullets end up where they should be.

If i carried only a pistol i'd be more concerned. now it is mainly a back-up to machine gun/assault rifle/shotgun.


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Post by figaro

Nice photo's 2Sharp, artfully arranged.
Will that model Minimi (M249 SAW/para) also shoot from the Fnc mag, if you're out of links?

I'd write something in mispelt Serbo-croat but all I can remember after all these years are expletives.
I'll put some guns from my work up in another thread.

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Post by Spencerman

I like that, but call me stupid, how are you supposed to know what calibre it is? I assume that it is stamped on the top of the barrel still? I only ask, as you know how stupid some people can be, and I would have thought that the last thing they would want is for someone to try and feed the wrong size bullet into the hole! I also like the pictures, they really show mine up! Good clear detail. I also do not think that it old fashioned to like the older frame, I personally prefer it on the Glock, although I can appreciate the benefit of the rail frame from a tac point of view, I have never liked the railed Glock frame. I like the USP railed frame, but that seems to be about it, give me the old fashioned 92FS, Sig, Glock unrailed frames any day. I suppose that it is going to be a thing of the future to go to rail frames, maybe even include a high power light in the recoil guide rod, similar to how they do lasers, to make them more tac freindly, therefor probably selling ten times more guns, but I still think that they look ugly.
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Post by BRMoore

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I don't like any models of Glocks, but if I could choose any pistol for use with military or self defense(live firing) I'd choose Glock it lasts longer easy to maintain and shoot.

Lucky lol when I start my training with british army will be using SA80A2 probably great for use in UK but for abroad it's really bad lol...
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Post by figaro

Re. the SA80, why does it make any difference where you are using it?
Doesn't the new HK overhaul make the weapon (initially, famously flawed) as robust as any other assault weapon, with the exception of maybe the AK series?

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Post by MadMike

I too didn't understand that point Yes, the HK overhaul must have worked wonders. I think it is a question if you like the SA80, or not. I have heard similar things about the French FAMAS, some love it, some hate it. A friend had the chance to fire one at a range, and he says it is a good gun, but he still prefers his HK G36.

BTW do British special forces still use AR-15s, or was that only within the L1A1 era?
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Post by 2sharp

figaro wrote:

Nice photo's 2Sharp, artfully arranged.
Will that model Minimi (M249 SAW/para) also shoot from the Fnc mag, if you're out of links?
I'd write something in mispelt Serbo-croat but all I can remember after all these years are expletives.
I'll put some guns from my work up in another thread.
JJ.

Yep, it'll work. I see it as an "emergency" option, it is better the feeding it with single rounds. But it is somewhat prone to jamming and it wears quite a lot on the magazines.
It is quite fascinating how the expletives seems to stick.. Looking forward to that thread!
I've fired the L85A1, and it is easy to shoot, but damn it is messy... i never liked bull-pup designs, never really got comfortable with either the AUG, FAMAS or the L85. but, one example is all the metal "things" that projects from the side of the slot for the charging handle, i cut myself everytime i handle it... stupid... On the A1 version you could squeeze the sides together to the bolt jammed.. duh!
I did talk to quite a few British soldiers that, if i recall correctly, had the A2 version and they weren't too happy about it... but then, grunts never will be
It IS werird how they spent so much money an time and came up with such a crappy design..
Edited to add: the Glock barrels are marked with the caliber, but i'd rather have a simple logistics chain then get the wrong ammo when i really need it..
We got the wrong fuzes for our handgrenades the last time we were practising room clearing, we got the old fuzes for the new grenades - bummer... i like throwing grenades, it is funny when they go BANG! now it was just training, but i'd hate to end up like that when things had gotten FUBAR for real.

Post by Spencerman

I have to say that I am really not a big fan of the SA80 design also. I always found the grip to be really uncomfortable, and would always end up with blisters after shooting. I know that I used it in early days, but why oh why when the MP5 was soooooo comfortable to hold? I even preferred the old M16 variants over the SA80, they just 'felt' better.
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Post by figaro

One of my titanium plated 1911 Springfields in action; three of the four supplied by Springfield broke down non-stop.
Springfield did the Titanium plating, they have done this for one other movie, "Face Off" -- the yellow is more sand colored than golden, and does not buff up at all nicely.
The 1911 Military is produced in Brazil, not the US; like the rest of the Springfield line, and our guess is that it is substandard in parts and labor.
The one that kept working ended up going through about 1000 rounds of blanks during the "Butcher" shoot, though, and now rattles when you shake it!



When I find time I will photograph some more and start a new thread. I start another shoot on the 17th and am under the gun!
The lead character in this next one carries a Colt Diamondback, ALA, McQueen in "Bullit" and John Wayne in "Brannigan." Thank you, Kimbo for supplying all the .38 Special blank.

Sorry to go off heading 2Sharp, didn't figure you'd mind. Back to Swedish army guns now chaps!

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Post by 2sharp



Absolutely not! I kinda like it when topics go "off topic" so to speak

I think you gotta learn Mr. Roberts NOT to keep his thumb on top of his hand, it might get bumped by the slide (or just tell him to make his sister call me..)


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