Did any company ever make full metal TT33 modelguns?

I am really longing for one.

Hello,

Very easy, Wa Shan makes one , black or silver.

Modern production is WaShan, as noted, in two variants.
It fires caps with blowback, it's heavy and it's pretty nice.
Finish and quality is typical for WaShan, not as good as Japanese models, but still good.
Dimensions and details are changed from real TT-33, so you can't use real grip panels for example.

Previously Nakata manufactured metal TT-33.
It was available in black, cap-firing but without blowback.
Original grip panels do not fit either, sadly.

It is a piece of sad news that real grips won't fit

smootik wrote:

Modern production is WaShan, as noted, in two variants.
It fires caps with blowback, it's heavy and it's pretty nice.
Finish and quality is typical for WaShan, not as good as Japanese models, but still good.
Dimensions and details are changed from real TT-33, so you can't use real grip panels for example.

Previously Nakata manufactured metal TT-33.
It was available in black, cap-firing but without blowback.
Original grip panels do not fit either, sadly.

Sad news indeed.
I bought some nice old grip panels to put on those models, and can't fit them.

WaShan uses thick heavy metal panels to add weight to the model.
Nakata is more close to original, but still not enough.

Is the size different?

smootik wrote:

Sad news indeed.
I bought some nice old grip panels to put on those models, and can't fit them.

WaShan uses thick heavy metal panels to add weight to the model.
Nakata is more close to original, but still not enough.

joshephliu wrote:

Is the size different?

Yes...and only Hudson plastic grips can fit into Wa Shan...

But Wa Shan's cannot fit Hudson in return  ...

What a...miracle...

I understand that they do not want to use wood stock. But at least they should allow it to fit wood grips........

jim wrote:

joshephliu wrote:

Is the size different?

Yes...and only Hudson plastic grips can fit into Wa Shan...

But Wa Shan's cannot fit Hudson in return  ...

Not impossible...when the "inside" of the Hudson grips are smaller than metal/real grips they can fit both models (basically Wa Shan copied Hudson)...



I also have two pairs of Ukrainian Tokarev grips which does not fit into the Wa Shans as well...really considering to cut the inside away then stick it on with Super Glue instead (better than useless)...

I took photos and measurements of:
- Tanaka TT-33 frame and grip panels,
- WaShan TT-33 frame and grip panels,
- original TT-33 grips (from Radom Arms Factory in Poland).

Need some free time to make it postable here.

Don't have Hudson model, but once I have base drawings done it should be easy to add them for Hudson too.

Rough sketch below, measured using a caliper as accurately as possible.

First number is for Nakata model, second for WaShan model, third for real TT-33 grip panels.

I can add Hudson model easily if I get measurements.

All sizes in mm. Accuracy is probably 0.2mm at best.

Measurements to the right of the panels are thickness between raised part and main panel surface.
When I figure out how to measure frame thickness in those places, it will be easier to see even more problems fitting original panels.

Edit: updated measurements for Hudson panels, thanks to jim.

It is not good. If the grips are smaller, although they will fit, they will be very loose.

jim wrote:

Not impossible...when the "inside" of the Hudson grips are smaller than metal/real grips they can fit both models (basically Wa Shan copied Hudson)...



I also have two pairs of Ukrainian Tokarev grips which does not fit into the Wa Shans as well...really considering to cut the inside away then stick it on with Super Glue instead (better than useless)...

joshephliu wrote:

It is not good. If the grips are smaller, although they will fit, they will be very loose.

Not at all...it fits quite well  (at least for mine)...

Lucky you!

Probably depends on combination and tolerances.
Could you please measure your Hudson and original panels, as well as Hudson frame?
In the same places as picture I made, if you have a caliper.

In my case neither original or Nakata panels fit WaShan.
Original panels could fit Nakata with some modifications.
WaShan panels have too much play to be used in Nakata

Biggest problem with WaShan TT is that there is no space to lock panels in place. Frame is 1.4mm thickness, panel is only 0.8mm thick.
Nakata has extra cutout on frame and original panels could possibly lock if modified for width.

No problem at all Smootik   ...measurements for the grips shortly but I don't have Hudson TT33 now I'm afraid so somebody please...?

OK some figures from me...

Great work!
Now we have almost complete compendium on TT-33 grip panels :-)

"?" items are height of areas raised above the panel base level. I had some problems measuring them, but found caliper with depth measurement. That data is useful when determining if metal bar will be able to lock on frame. If height is smaller than frame thickness, there will be problem fitting panels.

OK Got It    (same for the other side)

Thanks!

I updated drawing on previous page with your data.
Now to make "flat" drawing like your photo, to better show depth.

Finally found my Hudson TT-33 from the "dump"  ...will provide measurements anytime soon   !

OK...completed  !

Cool, job done :-)

Never realised Wa Shan metal TT grips can be this versatile  (off from Wa Shan's official site):

They certainly are :-)

At first glance I thought Wa Shan finally managed to make Polish    / Romanian versions as well (with safety slot on that area)...