SOLD MGC68 MP40 ModelGun For Sale / Discussion Welcome

Last edited by hmss013 on Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:55 pm; edited 1 time in total

Hi Everyone!

So I've been cleaning out the garage at my grandparents old home and came across this MGC68 MP40 ModelGun and I thought I'd share it with everyone. Any discussion is welcome!

We've been trying to get rid of some old clutter so this is up for sale to any reasonable offer. If interested, I am willing to ship this internationally provided the buyer pays shipping and it is legal to do so.

I've searched the whole house and was unable to find a box, magazine, or any paperwork belonging to this item so what you see in the pictures is all we have.

From what most have said there should be a serial number of some kind here on the bakelite under the barrel, but this one doesn't seem to have any. There isn't any indication that one had worn off either.

While most of the ones I've seen on this forum say "Made In Japan" this unit just says "Japan" underneath. As you'll see, this specific ModelGun is atypical in a couple details.

The bakelite is in relatively good shape, this scratch is pretty much the only real eye-catching blemish on the housing, the rest just looks like normal wear and tear.

Here is a view of the plugged barrel which is solid most of the way through. I understand that some of these ModelGuns are made to fire cap-rounds but I suspect this one was never meant to fire them.

The action of the bolt and trigger is a bit odd. The bolt can be drawn all the way back to the full catch, but does get a bit stiff 80% of the way there.

As far as the trigger, the bolt will be held halfway by the trigger mechanism and released when pressed, this seems like the limit to the action of this unit.

The spring piston inside is just this complete piece here, there doesn't appear to be any type of firing pin on this model.

The bolt itself is pretty much one solid piece except for the extractor and safety cap that does move in and out.

The head of the bolt has a nub right where the firing pin would be but this appears to be part of the entire piece, it is not a separate moving mechanism and does not appear to be functional.

The extractor spring does work and would theoretically retain and eject a round if any other part of this were functional, but again I don't believe it ever was.

The inside of the bolt from the rear is one solid piece, this is primarily why I believe this unit was never intended to fire caps.

The most fascinating thing about this item is the stippling here on the breech side of the bolt, which very accurately emulates the type of wear that a real MP40 would show over time and after having been shot a significant amount of times. If this was done for the sake of making this MP40 seem battle-worn this was certainly a convincing detail.

The rear of the barrel where the round would be chambered appears to be too large or too deep to hold a round properly, if one were to place a round in the chamber it would get stuck in the rear of the barrel and would need to be pushed back out from the front.

I'd love to get any input that folks have to offer about this find and I'm more than willing to provide any additional pictures or information if necessary.

If there are any interested parties feel free to post or PM me. Thanks for looking!

Really cool display piece you have.
Lots of MGC MP40 experts on here will help you out with info!
In my non-expert opinion, this one definitely appears to be an import version - some didn't have serial numbers, etc and were manufactured and/or modified for import to prevent cap-firing. For example, your barrel is fully blocked, there is no detonator in the chamber, and no chamber fixing screws. High odds this also came with a chamber plug and a cut bolt face. At some point in time someone put a real MP40 bolt in there......

ljerr2 wrote:: Really cool display piece you have.
Lots of MGC MP40 experts on here will help you out with info!
In my non-expert opinion, this one definitely appears to be an import version - some didn't have serial numbers, etc and were manufactured and/or modified for import to prevent cap-firing. For example, your barrel is fully blocked, there is no detonator in the chamber, and no chamber fixing screws. High odds this also came with a chamber plug and a cut bolt face. At some point in time someone put a real MP40 bolt in there......

Interesting, now that you mention it, there were these two empty screw holes underneath the chamber and forward of the magazine feed that do go all the way through up into the chamber itself.

**SOLD** MGC68 MP40 ModelGun For Sale / Discussion Welcome Chamber-Screw-Holes

**SOLD** MGC68 MP40 ModelGun For Sale / Discussion Welcome Chamber-Screw-Holes

Oh - now I see what I think are the chamber screws - i somehow missed that, but I haven't had one of these in my hands for quite some time. Those holes might just be additional tamper-resistant modifications done for import purposes. I'm sure someone here will give you the right info!!!!

This looks like a blank firing conversion rather than a pfc cap firing modelgun. There seems to be some melting on the barrel rest and the bolt looks like a custom steel (with firing pin).

Is there a detpin in the chamber area?

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Hi Hmms,

I am in the US and will buy this if the price is right, I will Pm you.

Pit.

OK, Here is my View on this, as a Professional Ex Military Armourer.

What you have here, is a Japanese MGC MP 40 Replica SMG.

HOWEVER!....It has a Genuine Steel Bolt & telescopic Spring assembly. From a Portuguese FEP 9mm SMG!

It would be ILLEGAL to export this item with these parts in. Out of the USA!....

At one time, 'Someone' has Removed the Mazac Alloy bolt & original Replica Spring assembly from this.
& replaced them with genuine Firearm Components!

Without a steel chamber made restricted for Blanks. ANY attempt to get this replica to fire. In it's PRESENT
Condition. Would be very unsafe, & indeed DANGEROUS to do that!....

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!...….

tankhunter wrote:: OK, Here is my View on this, as a Professional Ex Military Armourer.

What you have here, is a Japanese MGC MP 40 Replica SMG.

HOWEVER!....It has a Genuine Steel Bolt & telescopic Spring assembly. From a Portuguese FEP 9mm SMG!

It would be ILLEGAL to export this item with these parts in. Out of the USA!....

At one time, 'Someone' has Removed the Mazac Alloy bolt & original Replica Spring assembly from this.
& replaced them with genuine Firearm Components!

Without a steel chamber made restricted for Blanks. ANY attempt to get this replica to fire. In it's PRESENT
Condition. Would be very unsafe, & indeed DANGEROUS to do that!....

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!...….

It's sold and staying in the USA.
Neither the replica or the FBP bolt are restricted items in this country.

Hi All,

Thank you everyone for your time and interest, this MGC68 has now been sold.

They May well be legal in the US. However, In it's present state, it is most certainly Dangerous to attempt to fire Blanks in it. Without the CORRECT chamber section being made in STEEL!.

You only get one Face & a pair of hands. & I have seen what a Breech Explosion can do to a Human Being.
A Number of times!...…... Crying or Very sad

Thanks for the warning.

However, I have zero-interest in firing this replica, and firing it wasn't mentioned or implied in my response.

The OP's MGC MP40 is a dummy gun and that's all it will ever be.

I found this site many years ago (when it was with it's prior US admin configuration) when I was starting out making films and was buying Modelguns as props.

Since that time many moons ago, Airsoft guns have pretty much replaced dummies for film work, dummies being the props the actors hold when there is no actual blank-firing required, or legal-call for a licensed armourer on set.

But, nostalgia kicked in when I saw this one for sale - it will make a nice screen-double for it's 76 year old partner. I can photograph them together when it arrives if any of you folks are interested?

I did this with my original 1944 Krieghoff FG42 and Shoei FG42 and the post is in the FG42 section here.

Below is a picture of my 100% legally registered BYF 1942 MP40 (Michael Pare is holding it, Tony Todd behind him.)
*BTW coincidently this MP40 is a 1942 gun but I run a Portuguese FBP bolt in it identical to the one in the OP's post.

**SOLD** MGC68 MP40 ModelGun For Sale / Discussion Welcome XNkCunBb

**SOLD** MGC68 MP40 ModelGun For Sale / Discussion Welcome XNkCunBb

Good luck and thanks again.

Replica gun arrived safe and sound very nicely packaged!

If anyone wants to see comparison pictures an original 1942 MP40 let me know.

Anyway - this seller is good to go.

Now off to fire some full-flash 9mm blanks in this sucker!

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