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MadMike Modelgun Perfectionist
Number of posts : 655 Location / Country : Germany (Stuttgart) Registration date : 2008-08-06
| Subject: Info wanted about an old MGC AR-15 Shortie Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:59 pm | |
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DOC Modelgun Perfectionist
Number of posts : 234 Location / Country : Not so Great Britain Registration date : 2008-09-07
| Subject: Re: Info wanted about an old MGC AR-15 Shortie Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:45 pm | |
| The alloy upper block has groves cut into it to allow a scope mount. If you look at the unusual MGC logo its along the lines of the UNCLE logo dont you think ? perhaps someone in MGGs design studio was a bit fond of the 60s TV series material is black HW but not quite the same as the M4 HW as its more smooth DOC | |
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MadMike Modelgun Perfectionist
Number of posts : 655 Location / Country : Germany (Stuttgart) Registration date : 2008-08-06
| Subject: Re: Info wanted about an old MGC AR-15 Shortie Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:55 pm | |
| Thanks Doc! Do you know something about the time frame when it was produced? I think it was after their ABS series, but before their M4 series, so I'd say mid 1990s.
Odd that they didn't use the Colt trade marks. Maybe they thought there wouldn't be a real Colt model. Or it was made for the US market and they didn't have the required rights. I remember some ABS M16s and variants with "burnt out" Colt trade marks ... | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Info wanted about an old MGC AR-15 Shortie Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:24 pm | |
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MadMike Modelgun Perfectionist
Number of posts : 655 Location / Country : Germany (Stuttgart) Registration date : 2008-08-06
| Subject: Re: Info wanted about an old MGC AR-15 Shortie Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:02 am | |
| Not sure about the silencer, but it looks like one. Regarding Vietnam, carbine versions of the M16 were always short in supply. The Army used the early 10 inch barrel version (XM177E1 - M609) for some officers, dog handlers and medics. But they were sought after and not easy to get. Special units like Longe Range Recon Patrols (Army) and Force Recon (Marines) still had to use the M16 A1, with some XM177E1 models that were taken good care off. I read in Bill Peters book (he was a 1LT with Marine Force Recon in 1969) that his team only had one XM177E1 with a 50 rd magazine (they got it from a deal with the CIA, not from Marine Corps surplus) which was used by the soldier who was assigned to walk point, so he could break contact in an ambush with high volume fire. Only the top secret MACV-SOG was equipped with the XM177E2 in general. I doubt that there were any offical versions with shorter than 10 inch barrels as even this barrel on the E1 prooved too short regarding muzzle flash and control of the weapon in full auto. So the later E2 had the 11,5 inch barrel. I just have one pic of a recon soldier holding a very short (propably field made) carbine (looks like a 10 inch XM177E1 with standard A1 flash hider): I found it somewhere on the internet and hope it is a real photo. With all the Airsofters posing around today, you can not be sure ... | |
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Ozguns Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 333 Location / Country : Perth, Western Australia Registration date : 2008-08-21
| Subject: Re: Info wanted about an old MGC AR-15 Shortie Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:22 am | |
| Is this in fact an MGC model gun? If you look at the 3rd photo, at the upper right, it says SPG Model Gun Corporation. Are they the same company? | |
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MadMike Modelgun Perfectionist
Number of posts : 655 Location / Country : Germany (Stuttgart) Registration date : 2008-08-06
| Subject: Re: Info wanted about an old MGC AR-15 Shortie Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:27 am | |
| Yes, it is! "SPG" stands for "Safe Plastic Gun", a stamp that was required to declare it as a toy, thus making it legal (similar to the bright orange muzzle tip required in the US). | |
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retroangles New Member
Number of posts : 22 Location / Country : Northwest USA Registration date : 2009-06-28
| Subject: Re: Info wanted about an old MGC AR-15 Shortie Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:06 am | |
| My guess is a one off MGC custom rifle. I have never seen or heard of a real deal AR/M16 in that configuration. It does have the A2 brass deflector, along with A2 roll marks, other A2 attributes. So I would say it is relatively new. Definitely not a Vietnam era weapon. Damn nice grip!! Looks just like the colt grips did until they decided to cut costs | |
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