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PostSubject: WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken   WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_minitimeThu Nov 05, 2009 8:30 pm

Pffffffff don't seem to have any luck today. I disassembled the M9 to clean the firing pin and to straighten the pin on the inside of the slide stop, and the pin on fire selector on the inside of the gun broke of, without even touching it. I took off the slide and the little pin just fell out of it. This means of course the end of the full auto mode Sad
Don't know what to do anymore. Don't think this is even fixable Sad
Just a silly question: anyone have a fire selector spare part?
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PostSubject: Re: WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken   WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_minitimeFri Nov 06, 2009 9:06 pm

Great news! I was able to repair it cheers
The pin was broken, so I couldn't just fix it with some glue.
So I drilled a 2,5mm hole on the exact same place of the little pin, through the complete fire selector switch.
Then I tapped some M3 thread in it to place a little M3 bolt in it, and shortened it to the length of the original pin.
Result: my baby works again!!!!!!!!!!
Doesn't look so nice because you can see a little bolt-head on the outside, but I'm happy it works!
Maybe in the future I can find another fire selector switch somewhere.
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PostSubject: Re: WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken   WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_minitimeFri Nov 06, 2009 9:20 pm

Congratulations :-D

I bet this Beretta is now more special to you, after this fix Smile
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PostSubject: Re: WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken   WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_minitimeSat Nov 07, 2009 9:05 pm

Haha, thx Very Happy
Still, a new fire selector switch would be nicer Wink
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PostSubject: Re: WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken   WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_minitimeSun Nov 08, 2009 10:16 am

It's good to hear you managed to repair it, well done WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_wink

Being of Taiwanese origin, WaShan parts aren't available through Francky and Shazhib in Japan.
Getting hold of parts from Taiwan has proven difficult, pretty much impossible actually, certainly for myself as a private individual.
You could try asking forum member denisonsmock (he lives in Taiwan), alternatively try our UK based dealers www.modelguncollector.co.uk and http://www.plugfirecapgunsuk.com/

Unfortnately there's little to be gained asking www.modelgns-worldwide.com unless you bought that particular model off them.

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PostSubject: Re: WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken   WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 7:08 am

Was the firing pin metal or plastic? if you fire on full auto it can damage the pin after a while.
Click on the link below.
http://goods.ruten.com.tw/item/show?11090516318422

You need to open in IE8 and translate it to English.
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PostSubject: Re: WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken   WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 9:27 am

Hi Denisonsmock,

it wasn't the firing pin that was broken, it was about the little pin on the inside of the fire selector switch (the little pin that makes the difference between semi and fullauto).

But I also have a question about the firing pin in my M9. On the manual I can see that the firing pin is placed inside the barrel with a sort of grub screw, but mine is fixed in the barrel. There isn't a screw anywere, so I can not remove it from the barrel. Is that so for all the Wa Shan M9's then???

Then another question: How can you translate a website with IE8??? Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken   WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 9:44 am

I thought that the breech assy (including the firing pin) is held in place by the extractor screw, once that is removed with the extractor the breech assy can be taken off the slide (although i have seen it guled to the slide as well)

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PostSubject: Re: WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken   WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 10:33 am

yellow wrote:
Then another question: How can you translate a website with IE8??? Rolling Eyes
I don't know about IE8, but you can go to:
http://translate.google.com/
paste URL of original page into large box,
choose translation languages (from: Chinese, to: English),
click "translate".

8ace: you are correct about firing pin and breach assembly (parts that are behind loaded cartridge in slide).
I think that yellow meant detonator pin (one in the barrel, in front of loaded cartridge). I confuse these two names myself ;-)
In WaShan M84 it seems that detonator pin is also fixed in barrel, I could not find a way to remove it either.
Unfortunately this makes cleaning quite difficult.
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yellow wrote:
Hi Denisonsmock,

it wasn't the firing pin that was broken, it was about the little pin on the inside of the fire selector switch (the little pin that makes the difference between semi and fullauto).

But I also have a question about the firing pin in my M9. On the manual I can see that the firing pin is placed inside the barrel with a sort of grub screw, but mine is fixed in the barrel. There isn't a screw anywere, so I can not remove it from the barrel. Is that so for all the Wa Shan M9's then???

Then another question: How can you translate a website with IE8??? Rolling Eyes

Hi Yellow,

Copy the link into IE8 and press enter. If it doesn’t do it automatically press translate on the top toolbar, depending if you have addons in IE8. Use Firefox for purchasing on the web though. It should automatically translate it to English. It does it better than Firefox.

I do not have a Hawsan M9 myself, so I do not know anything about them. I’ve got the SigP220 full metal.
I’ve just gone into Intrudershop; see if any of these look as though they will fit a PFC Hawsan M9. The parts are for GBBs, but it’s worth a look – and its steel.

http://www.intrudershop.com.tw/categories_eng.asp?main_idcategory=39&idcategory=40&idproduct=1406

Let us know what happens.
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PostSubject: Re: WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken   WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_minitimeWed Nov 11, 2009 10:41 am

My WaShan Dolphin's detonator pin is fixed in the barrel's chamber and cannot be removed. This isn't really a problem when cleaning though.
I'll place the barrel in the Ultrasonic cleaner and / or immerse it in hot water, white vinegar and bicarbonate of soda for about 30 mins.
The Ultrasonic cleaner is very effective as you can see the accumulated dirt breaking away and seeping out of both ends of the barrel.
Once that's done, rinse through with hot water and dry it off.
A Q-Tip, Cotton Wool Bud, or a stiff mascara brush will then remove any muck left in the chamber.
It's surprising how much dirt does build up in the barrel so a good clean like this after every firing session is worth the effort.

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Cerwyn wrote:
My WaShan Dolphin's detonator pin is fixed in the barrel's chamber and cannot be removed. This isn't really a problem when cleaning though.
I'll place the barrel in the Ultrasonic cleaner and / or immerse it in hot water, white vinegar and bicarbonate of soda for about 30 mins.
The Ultrasonic cleaner is very effective as you can see the accumulated dirt breaking away and seeping out of both ends of the barrel.
Once that's done, rinse through with hot water and dry it off.
A Q-Tip, Cotton Wool Bud, or a stiff mascara brush will then remove any muck left in the chamber.
It's surprising how much dirt does build up in the barrel so a good clean like this after every firing session is worth the effort.

I take it you would like something that I posted in a link earlier - an all seperate system?
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I've Windows Vista on my PC and the toolbar's "Page" button has Google Translate in the drop down menu
It's free, works well translating Japanese into English, it covers most languages so might also be worth a try

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Quote :
I think that yellow meant detonator pin (one in the barrel, in front of loaded cartridge).

Ah yes Embarassed i must learn to read things No
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denisonsmock wrote:
Cerwyn wrote:
My WaShan Dolphin's detonator pin is fixed in the barrel's chamber and cannot be removed. This isn't really a problem when cleaning though.
I'll place the barrel in the Ultrasonic cleaner and / or immerse it in hot water, white vinegar and bicarbonate of soda for about 30 mins.
The Ultrasonic cleaner is very effective as you can see the accumulated dirt breaking away and seeping out of both ends of the barrel.
Once that's done, rinse through with hot water and dry it off.
A Q-Tip, Cotton Wool Bud, or a stiff mascara brush will then remove any muck left in the chamber.
It's surprising how much dirt does build up in the barrel so a good clean like this after every firing session is worth the effort.

I take it you would like something that I posted in a link earlier - an all seperate system?

A removeable Detonator Pin could make life a little easier, I'd imagine a new metal barrel, c/w detonator chamber and removeable pin would come as a set WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_question

Your earlier post shows what I believe to be the Firing Pin, not the PFC detonator pin ( WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_question )

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Assuming of couse I've found the correct item WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_biggrin WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_exclaim I know we spoke previously about obtaining spares, accessories and consumables for WaSan, HawSan ad YT Corporation models but we hit dificulties with that particular retailer.

Are things easier with this new dealer now WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_exclaim



Thanks very much





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£89 for this one. Very Happy
[url=http://goods.ruten.com.tw/item/show?11091107127775
http://goods.ruten.com.tw/item/show?11091107127775[/quote[/url]]
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£89 is a really good price WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_eek it's been awhile since we've seen WaShan, HawSan or YTCorp. models at these prices WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_exclaim

The ad' says Full Metal, would this come with a metal barrel and firing block at that priceWaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_question

Weren't home market Taiwanese models restricted to plastic barrels and blocks WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_question Past discussions we had mentioned metal components were available for export only but prices for those were astronomically high.

Would Taiwanese Customs allow these to be exported now WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_question If yes, I'd think there would be a lot of interest for full metal PFC Modelgus WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_wink WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_exclaim

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Cerwyn wrote:
denisonsmock wrote:
£89 for this one. Very Happy
[url=http://goods.ruten.com.tw/item/show?11091107127775
http://goods.ruten.com.tw/item/show?11091107127775[/quote[/url]]

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£89 is a really good price WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_eek it's been awhile since we've seen WaShan, HawSan or YTCorp. models at these prices WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_exclaim

The ad' says Full Metal, would this come with a metal barrel and firing block at that priceWaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_question

Weren't home market Taiwanese models restricted to plastic barrels and blocks WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_question Past discussions we had mentioned metal components were available for export only but prices for those were astronomically high.

Would Taiwanese Customs allow these to be exported now WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_question If yes, I'd think there would be a lot of interest for full metal PFC Modelgus WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_wink WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_exclaim

It does exactly what it ses on the box. Very Happy

No one here has plastic. Its not realistic enough. Every GBB is steel and metal, and the upgrades for a Hawsan will put you in the high price bracket - about £167 with steel and metal. I don't know if Jay has that type of Hawsan models on his site.

To ship this one, or one that has been customed. I cannot say if the customs would withhold or let out. scratch
If you want a bit of light relief, I've put a link into the airsoft part with Taiwanese girls with thier guns. (not porn)
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Wow, what has happened here Very Happy

Yes, I'm sorry guys, I meant detonator pin instead of firing pin indeed.

I can't get a complete site translated in English. I know google translates a piece of text, but I would like to have a complete page translated.

89£ is indeed a very good price Shocked Shocked Shocked
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Finally some pictures Wink

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yellow wrote:
Wow, what has happened here Very Happy

Yes, I'm sorry guys, I meant detonator pin instead of firing pin indeed.

I can't get a complete site translated in English. I know google translates a piece of text, but I would like to have a complete page translated.

89£ is indeed a very good price Shocked Shocked Shocked

There's been a lot of discussion going on whilst you've been away yellow WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_biggrin WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_biggrin WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_biggrin I'm sorry if things got a little off track WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_exclaim

No need to apologise for anything, firing pins and detonator pins do get confused sometimes which led me to ask more about the pin Denisonsmock was referring to.

WaShan's instruction leaflet is misleading, the part shown as #45 is not as per my own, or any other example of the M9 I've seen. In fact, IMHO the Instruction sheet looks much more like a Marushin model which does have a removable detonator pin. Who knows, maybe WaShan photocopied Marushin's WaShan M9 Dolphin Fire Selector Broken Icon_wink
Keeping the fixed detonator pin clean isn't that difficult, it would be easier if it was removeable, but even so the Hot Water/Vinegar/Bicarb Soda trick followed by Q-Tips works well.

There are a couple of things to watch out for. The Detonator Pin has a seperate tip (not sure if it's hardened or not) which can fall out. The tip is tiny, easily lost too. If all of a sudden you find cartridges dont fire when the hammer falls, check the tip is still on that pin.

Another problem I've experienced, and know of others that did the same, is the Selector Switch retaining screw can strip the thread in the slide VERY easily.

As you know, to switch from Semi to Auto, you need to pull the switch outwards first, against spring pressure, then turn it down for Auto, up for Semi.
Tightening the screw up firmly CAN be too tight to allow the switch to pull outwards.
Slackening it off to allow the switch to pull out & turn can make the screw loose enough so that as you're firing away in Full Auto the selector switch, screw and spring go flying accross the room.

So you slacken it, turn the switch, tighten it up so it doesn't fall off and the screw catches the slide stopping you cock it, or, strips the thread.
From memory I think the screw's only 2.5mm dia, steel, screwing into a shallow thread cut in Zinc Alloy.

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