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PostSubject: Wellrod pistol modelgun ?   Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_minitimeThu Nov 26, 2009 5:50 pm

I have just seen an ad in the latest Gun mart .

As follows :

" orders now being taken for a detailed all metal replica of this most interesting pistol ( arguably the most silent of silenced pistols ) manufactured by time served engineers in the UK . No licence required . £480 "

Page 308 .

I was always fascinated by these pistols having read about them in various WW2 books , and having used them extensively ......


( ..... whilst playing Medal of Honour on the xbox Embarassed ) good gun too , quiet , powerful and effective !! Very Happy

32 acp or 9 mm . Probably too much to expect these will accept cartridges : modelgun or blanks ? but an interesting and most unusual model to find as a replica nevertheless .

Carl. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Wellrod pistol modelgun ?   Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_minitimeThu Nov 26, 2009 6:07 pm

Are there any photos in the Ad' please Phobus Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_question

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PostSubject: Re: Wellrod pistol modelgun ?   Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_minitimeThu Nov 26, 2009 6:29 pm

They do have a pic of the pistol on the ad .

I will respond and see if I can get more details from the manufacturer .

I will post the pics when I get them .

Found some superb ones of the " real steel " if anyone is interested in the meantime ?

Carl. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Wellrod pistol modelgun ?   Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_minitimeThu Nov 26, 2009 7:11 pm

That's an interesting one! I did not know about Welrod existence before.

Even if it is an ad for a dummy version, it would still make a very nice modelgun. I hope the internals will be done as close to original as the law allows.
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PostSubject: Re: Wellrod pistol modelgun ?   Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_minitimeThu Nov 26, 2009 7:28 pm

Thanks Smootik ,

Interesting indeed .

I love these covert weapons .

I gather the Welrod was used for assassination purposes , being nearly silent in use . The enemies head , presumably being the last baffle in the silencer ...

I thought it was strictly a single shot weapon - don,t want no slides or actions moving about making lots of noise when the enemy are nearby !

However pics I found shows what looks like a magazine ??

I had imagined a v basic single shot weapon with a large silencer , and thats exactly how the Welrod appears .

Carl. Surprised
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PostSubject: Re: Wellrod pistol modelgun ?   Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_minitimeThu Nov 26, 2009 8:44 pm

phobus wrote:
I thought it was strictly a single shot weapon
I was very confused by that, too. Single-shot, but with a multi-round magazine.
As Welrod is bolt-action weapon, maybe someone confused it with single-shot?
Regardless of name, it seems to work just like bolt-action rifles with magazines (Mauser 98k).
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PostSubject: Re: Wellrod pistol modelgun ?   Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_minitimeFri Nov 27, 2009 5:36 pm

Ohh, one of my fav. guns!

Here's a good website about it:
http://www.timelapse.dk/Mk.II_IIa.php

The handle is the magazine and you have to manually turn (to unlock) the breech and feed another cartridge into the chamber.

I've handled a few but sadly never fired one. [yet..]
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PostSubject: Re: Wellrod pistol modelgun ?   Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_minitimeFri Jul 16, 2010 6:54 pm

Interesting website, I never heard of this gun before now.
Sure is one fugley gun though Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Wellrod pistol modelgun ?   Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_minitimeMon Sep 14, 2015 12:54 pm

The Welrod remained "on the books" for UK special forces right up until the first Gulf War. Not as elegant a solution as the deLisle carbine - A Thompson barrel, perforated for an integral silencer, mounted on an SMLE stock and lockwork, modified to fire .45" ACP ammunition. Perfect for the quiet removal of sentries, and lethal out to a couple of hundred yards.

The guys who produced the Welrod also came up with the "Welbike", a diminuitive moped-like bike designed to transport clandestine parachutists away from their drop zones. NOT a huge sucess, although it arguably DID result in there being mopeds!

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PostSubject: Enjoy   Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_minitimeTue Sep 15, 2015 1:13 pm

Bought out of it's resting place in the sock drawer for umpteen years. Quite rare in that it's a MkII chambered for 9mm which was usually found in the later MkI (yes I know, confusing isn't it?)
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PostSubject: Re: Wellrod pistol modelgun ?   Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_minitimeTue Sep 15, 2015 1:25 pm

Was it actually ever used? and was it any good, not just silent but reliable?
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PostSubject: Re: Wellrod pistol modelgun ?   Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_minitimeTue Sep 15, 2015 1:39 pm

Forgot to add that it is an all steel replica.
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PostSubject: Re: Wellrod pistol modelgun ?   Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_minitimeTue Sep 15, 2015 3:23 pm

2Sharp wrote:
Ohh, one of my fav. guns!

Here's a good website about it:
http://www.timelapse.dk/Mk.II_IIa.php

The handle is the magazine and you have to manually turn (to unlock) the breech and feed another cartridge into the chamber.

I've handled a few but sadly never fired one. [yet..]

One pretty obvious error however: S.O.,E. were pretty insistant about their comma! They were "Special Operations, Executive." (The comma makes the "Executive" an adjective, rather than a noun.) The Timelapse website has carelessly and repeatedly LEFT OUT THEIR COMMA!

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PostSubject: Re: Wellrod pistol modelgun ?   Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_minitimeThu Sep 24, 2015 8:01 am

Nice replica, Lampwick - very interesting -
Thanks for the pics of it in disassembly.

Any info. on whether that company are still making them - ?
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PostSubject: Re: Wellrod pistol modelgun ?   Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_minitimeThu Sep 24, 2015 1:54 pm

It's a one off that a chap I met at a Militaria show made. He contacted me after to say that he'd made one and was I interested? What do you think? It may be for sale (in the UK, sorry) later as I'm after a rather expensive German Dress Dagger and need to free up some cash.
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PostSubject: Re: Wellrod pistol modelgun ?   Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_minitimeFri Sep 25, 2015 2:45 am

An interesting alternative might be the QSPR., designed in-theatre for use by American "Tunnel Rats" in Vietnam.Underground, you navigate almost as much with your ears as with your eyes... firing a .45" standard issue M1911 would leave you temporarily blind and deaf. Stick a surpressor onto the front of the (already long) M1911, and it becomes impractically ponderous.The solution they came up with was.... silent ammunition!!! You start with a large frame revolver. You load it with what amount to "Plug Fire Caps", which you've had especially made. When the hammer drops onto the primer, the main charge goes off... and drives forward a piston, ahead of which sit several heavy balls (either steel or lead) The piston drives forward for the full length of the cartridge, where it meets a "crimp", which brings it to an abrupt halt - with the expanded gas still trapped behind it. The rapid forward movement of the piston has propelled the spherical projectile(s) forward, through the short, smooth-bore barrel. QSPR = Quiet Special Purpose Revolver.

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PostSubject: Re: Wellrod pistol modelgun ?   Wellrod pistol modelgun ? Icon_minitimeFri Sep 25, 2015 9:24 am

Some simunition works in a similar way.
A miniature piston, just two inches of movement, but enough to cycle an AR, or MP5 with reduced pressure springs.

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