MGC Colt M725

*** Originally posted by madmike ***




Hello Mark!

I am so glad I finally dared trying a modelgun. It is much more realistic than any airsoft gun as the internals work like the real weapon. And it can field strip just like the original, needs cleaning and lubricating. I enjoy my Marushin XM 177 E2 every second and I can hardly put it away. My girlfriend starts beeing jealous. Luckily she tolerates my new hobby.

It is great that there is a forum for model gun collectors in English. Without your help I would not have been able to finish my first kit and make the gun operate right.

Yes it is strange that my stock wobbles. It is because there seems to be too much space between the stock (ABS) and the metal tube. And the tube gets easily scratched by the moving stock, which is fancy as there should be enough space for it to move easily.
But I had no problems fitting the stock tube to the lower receiver. The threads did fit well.

But the igniting pin did need reworking as there was no thread in it. So I had to cut a thread into the hole on the bottem to assemble it.
And I had great problems fitting the barrel to the receiver. This was very hard to do. Perhaps the reason is paint on the threads, I don´t know.

The wobble of the two receier parts is annoying. Although the gun operates well the whole rifle rattles if it is taken single handed at the pistol grip or the carrying handle.
Can you give me more information about the DROP-IN DEVICE which could help? I could not get any information about it as real steel AR-15 rifles are very rare in Germany.

I also would not recommend the use of two caps in one cartridge. I never did this but could experience that even one single cap is powerful enough to damage the bottom of a cartridge as it did loose its original shape a bit. But it is still working.

I do not know why but I am still dreaming of a factory built XM 177 E2. Perhaps this is because of the 30 round magazine and the all metal flash suppressor. But propably I will never get one as they are very expensive here in Europe.

Thank you for your support!
Greetings from Germany

MadMike

*** Originally posted by illuminati ***




Well i just got a factory built M725, and the stock wobbles just as bad, im considering maybe epoxying the stock so it doesnt move at all, so it doesnt adjust either.

*** Originally posted by mark ***




Madmike,

The part that I describe is called the accu-wedge http://www.cactustactical.com/ar15parts.html

It is really simple and cheap it might work in the Marushin but it might not...

Yes, the modelguns are as close as the Japanese can get to "firing" guns in Japan. (I guess that they do sell deactivated guns in Japan too,but they cannot fire anything of course)

Thanks for the compliements and I hope that you enjoy the site!

I know what you mean about putting the modelguns away, I too have a problem not handling them!

That's odd about the detonator, no threads? That is strange, I certainly didn't expect that from the Japanese..

Hmmm, my Marushin XM stock doesn't wobble much at all but my MGC's do. I don't know why the manufacturers (MGC/Marushin) made the tube too small for the stock.

Perhaps the stocks are real parts and the tubes where made smaller due to anti-interchange reasons?

I was recomended to put (glue?) little strips of plastic on the inside of the stock(ABS) to take up the clearance a bit I haven't done this yet but I am planning to do so.

Yes, the 30 round magazine is exceptionally hard to find and I never will sell my Marushin 30 rounder!

What happened to tha metal flashsuppressor that we where talking about?

*** Originally posted by madmike ***




Hello Mark!

I have ordered the all metal steel flash hider from Guarder with 14 mm positive threads five weeks ago. It seems that this part is hard to find as Guarder makes a wide range of special custom parts for Airsoft guns. They make the same flash hider for the Tokio Marui XM177 E 2 Airsoft gun, but this part has 14 mm negative threads. The suppressor with 14 mm positive thrads is specially designed to fit to the Marushin. I hope it will finally arrive.
Here is a link to the shop from Guarder:

http://www.intrudershop.com/show_product_eng.asp?idproduct=15

It can be fit to the carbine without the the ring on its back, I think. So using a adaptor with two male threads it should be possible to fit it right behind the front sight, creating a 10 inch barrel XM177 E1.

Thank you for the information about the ACCU-Wedge. I showed it a local gunsmith but he thinks this part will not be available in Germany. This is due to AR-15 rifles are not very common here in Germany.
On the picture it looks like it is installed in front of the buffer tube. Is that true?
Man, the receiver wobble is the worst thing with my Marushin carbine, it starts getting on my nerves.

It is also interesting that the retractable stock assembly is not expensive in the U.S. - every copy for Airsoft purposes is much more expensive in Germany.
Do you think it fits to the Marushin? It would be possible to have a four position stock if the shown tube is used.

As for the magazine, I can understand that you will not sell it as I would not do this either. I did not expect you to sell it to me, I hope you didn´t get that impression

I am sorry that I write about the Marushin XM177 E2 all the time. We are here in the MGC M725 forum and I am quite a bit of topic. Sorry about that, friends!

Greetings from Germany

Mike

*** Originally posted by madmike ***




I have also something which would fit to the topic:

I wonder why the MGC carbine is called M725?

Isn´t it true that the M725 is a M16 A2 (!) Carbine? But the MGC gun looks like having the A1 (!) rear sights on the carry handle. Then it should be an M653 M16 A1 Carbine (the one used by Sgt. Elias, SSgt. Barnes and Lt. Wolfe in PLATOON, as they did not have the XM177 E2, which would be the correct AR-15 Commando for the Vietnam war era).
But the MGC has the case defelctor which the A1 M653 lacks. I am a little confused. It seems to be a hybrid version of both M653 and M725

But perhaps I am all wrong as I am not an expert in real steel AR-15s.

Greetings,

Mike

*** Originally posted by mark ***




Hi madmike,

Yes, the metal flashider sounds great and I hope that you will receive it soon!

I wish that they would make the M16A1 "birdcage" flashhider for the Marushin with the positive (or male)threads so I could make the 10" barreled XM as I have always liked the look.

I think that it would be easier for you to order the "accu-wedge" then try to find it in Germany and yes, it does fit just in front of the buffer tube as it is just a wedge that takes up the play between the upper and lower halves.

The wobble between the receiver and the lower is kind of distracting as otherwise this is a great modelgun it is too bad that Marushin didn't tighten up the parts fit although, I think that I know what the problem is..

Marushin has been using the old tooling on this particular modelgun series for short runs up to this point (Usually they would produce small runs and put the machinery away and produce something else like motorcycle helmets etc.) so, since the tooling used to produce them is now being asked to produce more than in the past it is wearing out...

I have noticed the real stock prices have gotten really cheap lately myself, especially the M4 stock..Unfortunately, no the stock tube has smaller fine threads on the Marushin stock assy and the real stock (buffer tube) has larger course threads.

The plastic stock itself might work however, I know that the MGC plastic stock will fit on my real AR15 as I have tried it. But, I haven't tried the Marushin (yet)

Mike, I didn't mean to make it sound that I wouldn't offer the 30 round Marushin magazine to you, I just ment that I really love mine and I wouldn't ever sell it as they are so hard to find.

I am looking for one for you and hopefully there might be more available so I can obtain one for my M16A1 rifle too.

Hey no problem! I like and I am sure everybody else here, likes to talk about any modelguns of any type CMC's, Hudson's,KSC's,Kokusai's,MGC's,Marushins etc. Besides, you will get more modelguns!

I am mystified about MGC's nomenclature choice on the M725 myself, as I was looking into that the other day..

My referance books don't show the M725 model. It shows the M653 as the 14" barreled Colt carbine w/forward assistw/sliding buttstock and the M653P (Philipppine version)and as you note, no case deflector which is a later M16A2 feature.

But,my referance books aren't very new (mostly M16A1 versions) so, the Colt M725 just may exist..Oh, by the way, using the term real "steel" when refering to the M16 series is funny as the AR15/M16 series is known for it's light weight aluminum construction!

*** Originally posted by madmike ***




Just a very short post from me as I am busy.

I think the combination of A1 rear sights and case deflector is fancy as I have never seen a real AR-15 with this combination. But I am not an AR-15 expert. I like them very much, but they are not common here in Germany.

They seem to have a bad reputation still as they are regarded as little reliable. This comes from the teething problems of the early XM-16. My father was a police officer in the late 60s (in Germany there is the possibility to choose between service in the Army, the Police or the civil protection (fire or medical emergency service) for young men who get drafted). As my Marushin XM177 E2 misfired once because the cap did not ignite he laughed and said that this is a VERY realistic model of "that little black rifle that wouldn´t shoot".
I know soldiers in the German Federal Army who think the new M16s are good and reliable weapons but suffer from a weak bullet and little stopping power on ranges over 400 meters. But they say the same about the HK G36 as some miss their trusted HK G3 with its powerful and accurate 7,62 round. But as the M14 in the U.S. Army this rifle was long and heavy.

As for the term "real steel" this comes from the Airsoft scene here in Germany as they call every real gun "real steel", no matter if it is steel or aluminum.

As for the "anti wobble device" I am not sure if I can order it in the U.S. due to strict weapons laws here in Germany. I wil try to find out.

As soon as I have new information about the Guarder flash hider I will post it.

I am quite sure the Marushin will not be my last modelgun. And I am sure I will keep on visiting this forum in the future because it is a great thing with good information and nice people.

Man, this has gotten a long post. I did not expect this. I have to go to bed now as it is 11.30 pm in Germany.

Greetings

Mike

*** Originally posted by madmike ***




I couldn´t sleep so I decided to do some research about the designation of the MGC M725. It is definitly a hybrid thing between the M16A1 Carbine (M653) because of the A1 style rear sight and the M723 - M16A2 carbine because of the case deflector. I found out that there may be M16 carbines with A1 rear sight and case deflector but they have to be modified as they did not leave the factory with that combination.

M725 is not correct for a second reason: the M725 is (like the M16 A2 rifle) issued with an safe/semi/3burst trigger group. The full auto version is the M723 (like the short barreled M16 A2 Commando - M733, well known since the movie "Black Hawk Down"). So as the MGC can fire full auto it is a M723, not M725.

I hope I was not getting too deep into detail and thus becoming boring

*** Originally posted by madmike ***




Seems to be my favorite topic

Actually a friend asked me if there is any difference between the MGC M725 available today and between the version which was released a few years ago? Does anyone know details? I guess the older version was darker in coulor, but I am not sure. Any other differences known?

Thanks and greetings

MadMike

*** Originally posted by mark ***




Yes, there is a difference between the early and the late versions. Actually, there are, i think, 3 versions of the MGC M725:

1. The first version M725 (HW) seems to have been chemically blackened and there are some packaging details and minor items such as the chrome plated cartridges etc.

2. While not a version, they did offer a M725 (HW) kit this too was chemically blackened. The box was of course, special because it was a kit and it seems that not too many of these where sold before MGC went bankrupt in 1994.

3. The later and the most common M725,(HW) the "silver"version seems to have skipped the chemical blackening process. Whether this was because of environmental reasons or what else, i don't know. But the sliver color doesn't look right..The box and packaging is close to the original but is still slightly different.

I think that MGC has stopped making the M725 and has concentrated on making newer versions of the M4 carbine and they have at least 4 verions of the M4 now.

*** Originally posted by gmanuk ***




mark you say you have a video of the m725 firing is it on your website or is there a link etc???

*** Originally posted by mark ***




quote]mark you say you have a video of the m725 firing is it on your website or is there a link etc???[/quote]

Yes, i do have a video of the M725 but, it's not on my website it's here: http://web3.incl.ne.jp/shiraaya/jun1-m725.htm

I have an extensive collection of modelgun video's from all over the net. So, yes, i do have the video of the M725 but it's not mine. I do believe that the video is from Gun_PB originally.

*** Originally posted by gmanuk ***




thanks mark

*** Originally posted by mark ***




No problem!

*** Originally posted by gmanuk ***




dont supose you no a place with videos of some dummy model guns like the m1 garand or m14 or luger etc ???

I stumbled upon this thread and the comment I had made years ago regarding MGC's M725. It must have been five years ago when I bought my first long model guns, a Marushin XM177E2 kit and MGC's M725. This old post brings back a lot of memories. Back then I thought the MGC model would be more like a Colt M653 M16A1 Carbine than a A2 model. I was wrong. Early Colt M16A2 models from 1987 featured the A1 style rear sight from time to time. MGC made a precise copy of an early M16A2 Carbine with thin A1 style barrel, A1 style rear sight but A2 style case deflector. Even the natural gun grey HW finish resembles the Colt grey used back then. The only thing MGC got propably wrong was that the M725 featured the 3 rd burst, the M723 the full auto trigger group. That said I still love my M725 and its "Plain Jane" look very much. As most of my models, the M725 has its own story (Thank you, Claymore!). Maybe that is what makes it so precious to me despite its low price back then.





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