Model guns with silencers?

Does anyone know of a model gun pistol with barrel threading for a silencer? Or a kit that comes with a silencer?

This would be PERFECT: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=252849596

Except it has a blocked barrel and only accepts dummy rounds.

I know there's a silenced Uzi kit out there which I plan on getting, but I also need a pair of silenced pistols.

Any help appreciated (even if it's the bad news I'm expecting).

Thanks.

Not sure of any others, but Marushin's PPK is one pistol. Smootik might know of others.
And it may not be available for a while. So you may have to make your own.
Here's some link that might help. Including Marushin's web site with pics of a silencer thread in case you might make your own~

http://www.tokyohobby.net/marushin-walther-ppk-silencer-model-new-plug-fire-cartridge-blowback-model-gun.html

http://www.marushin-kk.co.jp/itemmoppksilencer.html

http://www.mp40modelguns.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=2888&sid=1f203d1e8340a59e675b0010e8507e5b

Kiwigunner

Don't forget the Man From Uncle P38.
http://www.theunclegun.com/

MGC Mac 11 silencer, I have one for sale on Gunbroker right now.

Also dummy silencers http://www.mfiap.com/

They fit airsoft and most of the old style modelguns - the UZI for example or AR series.

kiwigunner wrote:

Not sure of any others, but Marushin's PPK is one pistol. And it may not be available for a while.
Here's some link that might help. Including Marushin's web site with pics of a silencer thread in case you might make your own~

http://www.tokyohobby.net/marushin-walther-ppk-silencer-model-new-plug-fire-cartridge-blowback-model-gun.html

http://www.marushin-kk.co.jp/itemmoppksilencer.html

Yeah, that thing has been "coming soon" for about 14 months now...

Shame too because it's exactly what I need.

Found a video of what looks to be the same gun (from 2009!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6IOSUIuZhM&feature=sub


It seems like all the silenced model gun pistols are dummy rounds only. Who buys these things? And for what purpose?

http://www.dentrinityshop.com/pr_details.jsp?pid=15445
http://www.dentrinityshop.com/pr_details.jsp?pid=15446

I was SO HAPPY to stumble upon a non-firing dummy M1911 modified for PFC cartridges...until I found out you have to manually eject each shell after firing...sigh

I just need two silenced PFC pistols...you wouldn't think that would be such a tall order. What an aggravating "industry" this is. I have to think there's a huge entrepreneurial opportunity for someone with the means to really shake up the prop guns market.

As it stands now, we have our choice of:

Airsoft: requires cheap-looking/time-consuming digital effects in post...
Blank guns: too damned loud, dangerous, permits...
PFC model guns: godawful selection of models, fragile, makes thirty year old Lamborghinis seem reliable...

ARGH!

pitfighter wrote:

MGC Mac 11 silencer, I have one for sale on Gunbroker right now.

I would buy it right now if you could determine whether or not it's fire-able in semi and auto. I use these things for films so I have to know that they function. A non-functioning PFC gun doesn't make any sense to me. You might as well use Airsoft. As it stands I can't afford to take a $170 gamble on something that might turn out to be completely useless (mechanically speaking).

Anyway, thanks for the help guys.

Being a one-time Jams Bond fan I was looking at putting some Airsoft silencers on one of my Marushin PPK/s.

It looked like a relatively straight-forward job; the making of a push on adapter is simple - but a screw on one posed some problems which I never got around to solving only because it wasn't a high priority.
So my question is, "do you need a screw on silencer in your movie?"

Kiwigunner

Hmm, I don't know of many modelguns with silencers.
Main problem seems to be that weight of silencer causes problems with slide/barrel movement and therefore blowback. It was a certain problem also for airsoft models.

MGC MAC11 is the most accessible cap-blowback model with silencer, but it's a submachine pistol, not a normal pistol.
Marushin PPK, Colt .25 and 1910 are dummy only as far as I know.
Kokusai used to make metal Colt .25 with silencer, but I don't think you will find it easily.
Others seem to be one-off customs.

Hi Filmmaker,

You may want to try out the non-guns from ISS, they have them with fake silencers, they make a flash and hardly any bang, I have used them where the flash was a inch or two away from the stunt man's face.
http://issprops.com/weapons/non_guns

Also, why not use a blank adapted real gun, which with half or quarter loads can be quite manageable?
We used a .38 with quarter loads on my last picture, they sound like a a kid's cap gun, but make a bit more of a flash.
Most semi automatics can be adapted to cycle with half loads, and you simply screw on a dummy sielncer from MFI or better and smarter yet, rent the whole set-up from ISS.


Good luck, mate,



JJ

I thought in real life the sound suppressors already absorb most (if not all) of the muzzle flash...same situations for movies as well (i.e. audiences will understand suppressors = no muzzle flash)?

You are correct, there's no flash at all from a real silencer - but these are movies.

jim wrote:

I thought in real life the sound suppressors already absorb most (if not all) of the muzzle flash...same situations for movies as well (i.e. audiences will understand suppressors = no muzzle flash)?

Don't need muzzle flash with silencers...but I still need shell ejection.

pitfighter wrote:

Hi Filmmaker,

You may want to try out the non-guns from ISS, they have them with fake silencers, they make a flash and hardly any bang, I have used them where the flash was a inch or two away from the stunt man's face.
http://issprops.com/weapons/non_guns

I couldn't get their video to work for some reason so I couldn't see them fire but if they're "non-mechanical" I'm assuming there's not going to be any shell ejection, right? That's half of what makes model guns so great for film!

Also the selection of non-guns seems to be just as limited as the selection of PFC guns. Nothing new available. Everything circa 1960's and 1970's.

pitfighter wrote:

Also, why not use a blank adapted real gun, which with half or quarter loads can be quite manageable?
We used a .38 with quarter loads on my last picture, they sound like a a kid's cap gun, but make a bit more of a flash.
Most semi automatics can be adapted to cycle with half loads, and you simply screw on a dummy sielncer from MFI or better and smarter yet, rent the whole set-up from ISS.

That would obviously be ideal but it's also a pretty big step-up in expense and hassle with regard to permits and licensed on-set armorers etc etc...

As I reckoned - audiences should not expect anything out from the muzzle

Mulberry-made silencer might work for you: http://www.dentrinityshop.com/pr_details.jsp?pid=14898 - with a bit of extra work you can basically stick it to any pfc gun you want...

One of our members (Ken Harris) has a P38 PFC modelgun with a silencer on Gunbroker at present:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=253357304

[I regularly buy from him and he ships to NZ no problems. I got a Colt SAA in 4 days air mail delivery to here in Auckland!]
He has a a large collection of model guns, parts and files for sale.

Kiwigunner

kiwigunner wrote:

One of our members (Ken Harris) has a P38 PFC modelgun with a silencer on Gunbroker at present:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=253357304

Just bought it. Thanks for the heads up.