MUZZLE FLASH

Post by R22Master

Actually, you don't get much of a noticable flame from the muzzle-flash on real-steel (I have quite a lot of real-steel experience) as all the flash has vented down the barrel before the port is fully open. If it did still have flash left as the port was opening, your casings would explode due to the pressure

Movies rarely feature real-steel guns shooting real-steel rounds, so they aren't really an accurate base for comparison anyway.

Beautiful photos of the muzzle flash though - nice one Rizzo. Makes me a tad disappointed that this trick doesn't workon my XM177e2
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Post by Mark

I think that it would be rather hard to make the muzzle flash effect work on the XM177 or any rifle/pistol with a long barrel as the magnisum flame tends to "cool" too fast to be properly seen except in reasonably short barreled pistols/revolvers.

Still, it's worth trying to get the muzzle flash effect to work on the carbines/rifles as it looks awesome!

The flash effect from a modelgun comes from the light springs/light slide/bolt being forced open before the magnisum/cap has fully ignited causing the flash effect.

Myself, I have about 30,000 (or more) rounds of actual firearms experiance and I have never witnessed any spark/flame from my ejection port(s)

However, I have several videos of H&K MP5PDW's and M16 "shortys" that have (due to their short barrels/light operating parts) very visible flames/sparks from their ejection ports!

But, most of the flash/sparks that you see in movies is caused by blanks/overpressure due to restrictors in the barrels

Post by rizzo

Claymore-
I use fine magnesium powder, bought from a website which was shown in the early pages of this thread (can't remember it sorry )
As it doesn't add any power, i doesn't cause any extra stress to the parts. The only problem i can think of is it melting the barrel, which is very unlikely, as the flash is only for a few seconds. The magnesium leaves a bit more residue when it combusts than the normal cap gunpowder, so extra cleaning is required- but for the effect, it's worth it

I do have a video of it, but it's rather large. Hopefully when I get my review of the MGC 1911 onto www.arniesairsoft.co.uk there will be a video of it on there. In the meantime, I have done this animation of a couple of frames

I'll put it in this thread as soon as i can find it [/img]

Post by Mark

Yes, I agree on the the fact that magnesium won't melt the barrrels as the flash lasts for a few microseconds...However, it might possibly chemically change the ABS barrels causing them to become brittle than they are now but, this is unproven and it is just my theroy.

Post by Spencerman

Has anybody tried the "Real Flame" caps (available from www.modelguns.co.uk) ? Are these any good? Would anybody have any pictures of them being fired?

Post by Mark

I know that someone on the forum has tried these so called "Real Flame" caps. They didn't do much more than the Marushin caps in comparison effects wise. It sounds as if the "Real Flame" name is a marketing ploy not a reference to the caps effect at the muzzle.

all of the caps currently being sold in Japan are made by the same company: KaneCap in Japan.
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I tried the Real Flame caps and found them no better than Marushin's standard cap.
Definately no Real Flames!
There's been a lot of discussion about them, and flash in general on the forum...
try Search on both Muzzle Flash and Caps, I'm sure you'll find some interesting stuff to read and think about.

I'm still looking for the elusive flame/flash from one of my short barelled SMG's, still looking, still trying!

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Post by bobbybobtroop

I'm very interested in muzzle flashes as I currently have to animate them while video editing. It's very time consuming especially for full autos. Anyway I was wondering if a few questions could be answered:

1. I'm looking for a revolver that will work well with the above technique. I was wondering if silver abs models wold be damaed by the muzzle flash and how the finish holds up to general use. also, are most abs revolvers able to take advantage of this muzzle flash technique or are they somehow blocked?

2. will this work with somthing like an mp40 or greese gun?


3. will the technique work with a super old school MGC thompson with an open barrel? ( Just had a chance to fire my late model MGC thompson for the first time and I have to say it is awsome despite the inability to release flame or smoke from the muzzle).
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Post by ljerr2

I'm no expert, but I have several revolvers and they all are heavy-weight material (non-metal) so they have relatively open barrels (they still have some blockage via an insert). They all vent one heck of a muzzle flash and good smoke from the barrel. I think the metal ones all have fully blocked barrels. Someone will chime in if I am wrong.

Post by bobbybobtroop

thenks for the info on revolers. It's much appreciated. anone have any clue about the mp40, old school MGC zink thompson, and the finish on silver abs plastic as it relates to generl wear and muzzle flash created by magnesium?
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Post by ljerr2

I think I should clarify that the flash I have gotten from my guns has been just from caps alone - no Mg.