Details that Bug me...

Post by Spencerman

Ok, following on from another thread then, here we go.

What are some of the details that really bug you about your various modelguns. I am talking cosmetic differences, such as incorrect markings, the wrong type of screw, that sort of thing.
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Post by Mark

Well, the Marushin factories habit of marking the side of the gun "made in Japan" with a heat stamping process that creates a fairly deep, in correct looking and hard to remove ugly stamp.
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Wanted to buy: MGC Sten MK3....trades?(still)

MGC MP40 Marushin MP40 Nakata MP40 TRC MP40

Modelgun manufacturers, past and present:CMC,CAW,Hudson,HWS,LS,MGC(R.I.P. 1960's~2007) Marushin,Marui,Kokusai,Shoei,Tanaka and Western Arms

Post by 8ace

I think cosmetically any large stamps/markings that relate to the toy company is a pain (but i did like the way Hudson changed the Thompson "bullet logo" on their M1A1 which was very subtle)

Also the wrong type of wood can detract from the authentic look too

8ace

Post by shazhib



On a regular basis, I don't pay that much of attention to those markings, but what does really bothers me is explicit departure from real gun look or function. MGC SIG P210 has such a ugly muzzle area, Hudson Skorpion has open bolt firing cycle......

Post by ChenKenichi



One of the worst looking replicas in my eyes is the zinc Marushin MP40 and the Nakata MP40. The whole mag well area in addition to the barrel and resting bar just looks wrong. The wood parts on the Hudson M1A1 Thompson are a bit distracting as well, however still a very nice replica.

Post by 8ace

Now to be true i have never owned a real Thompson but i thought the woodwork on my Hudson M1A1 was fantastic the right shape (trigger grip) and very nice colour/grain, agreed that it wasn't old WWII worn/varnished but it was as good as the walnut stock on my old Beretta 686 silver pigeon 12 gauge.

I have seen some poor woodwork on Hudson Thompsons, did they change it in later years

Post by Spencerman

I am surprised that no-one has mentioned anything about cleaning or preparation yet. I am also very surprised that Claymore has not been talking about parts flying apart and breaking when firing, particularly mgc Kimber parts!
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Post by Mark

Spencerman wrote:

I am surprised that no-one has mentioned anything about cleaning or preparation yet. I am also very surprised that Claymore has not been talking about parts flying apart and breaking when firing, particularly mgc Kimber parts!

Probably doesn't want to be reminded

Post by Mark

Oh, by the way, 8ace, seeing the Hudson M1A1 reminds me of a little detail issue that they have that bugs me. The lack of a good magazine that actually is made so it lasts.
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Wanted to buy: MGC Sten MK3....trades?(still)

MGC MP40 Marushin MP40 Nakata MP40 TRC MP40

Modelgun manufacturers, past and present:CMC,CAW,Hudson,HWS,LS,MGC(R.I.P. 1960's~2007) Marushin,Marui,Kokusai,Shoei,Tanaka and Western Arms

Post by Claymore

yep i 2nd that mark, bad magazines that make a good model bad are a big problem for me. I like my models to be accurate but its more important to me they fire well than have accurate markings etc. take the marushin dolphin for instance well they never made it for real but what a great model so accuracy really does not come into it for that model, metal models with blocked barrels annoy me but that is the law, bolts that destroy themselves within 2 rounds thes are the details that i foind hard to deal with, an expensive model gun that need serious tweaking before it will fire is my pet hate.
I would like all my models to be 100% accurate but i am willing to sacrifice detail for a model that fires really well, the biggest thing with plastic models would be weight but plastic models dont normally destry themselves (marushin mp40 for example) so i will put up with light weight for a fully functioning model.

Post by Doc

I appreciate makers want to have their mark on them but I`m not a big fan of "SPG" or "SMG" stamped into things ...especially in highly visible areas.

while I am having a moan ....not too keen on modelguns that are excellent to fire but then have 34 ( tiny exaggeration) different steps to take the det pin out to clean ..... the MGC Thompson is easy to clean ..others can be a pain in the butt with increased chances of knackering (sp) something the more times they come apart .

DOC
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Post by 8ace



Yep the Hudson metal (not just the mag) is poor and it can be a pain to get firing well but the M1A1 it is still one of my favourite models to look at, feel and handle

Post by Phobus

Blimey 8ace what a beautiful Thompson !!

..and I thought the Marui airsoft versions looked good !! Makes me want to buy one . Oh , I forgot we are no longer alllowed to are we ?

For myself , I find the smallest of details being wrong can sometimes put me off a model enough to sell it . And then regret it later .

I sold my WA Shan SIG and then asked myself why over and over bearing in mind the rarity of good SIG replicas and that they are a favourite of mine anyway .

Sometimes I have to compromise due to the sheer number of models I have and sacrifices must be made . The Wa Shan M9 I bought to make me feel better about the SIG annoyed me because of the oversized bore at the muzzle . It just looks WRONG wrong wrong and the SIG had no such problem .

The barrel looks more akin to a shotgun barrel than a full bore 9mm with a thin wall and HUMONGOUS bore . I now Spencerman was also annoyed by this and fitted an inner barrel . But how could they get such an important detail so wrong when the rest is very good ?

Annoying !!

My Franklin Mint .45 is a good model and does not annoy me at all apart from the very visible barrel blockage , but I will forgive that due to quality everywhere else. Ditto the Marushin M712 Metal model . All metal .45 modelguns take some beating and I know the WaShan is also very good .

Regards

CARL.
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Post by Mark

The Hudson Thompson is a very nice replica and, it does have some faults, but it is a nice modelgun. And, i have contemplated buying another for some time now..On the subject of this discussion, i have never liked any of the cast zinc mp40's that have been offered over the years due to many factors.

1# Being the fact that the original mp40's where constructed out of steel stampings, the cast zinc Nakata/Marushin/TRC etc. just don't seem "right" somehow.

2# Their receivers are usually too long (just in front of the magazine housing)

3# Also, the lower grip frame/plastic looks funny on the TRC/Nakata and the early Marushin mp40.
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Wanted to buy: MGC Sten MK3....trades?(still)

MGC MP40 Marushin MP40 Nakata MP40 TRC MP40

Modelgun manufacturers, past and present:CMC,CAW,Hudson,HWS,LS,MGC(R.I.P. 1960's~2007) Marushin,Marui,Kokusai,Shoei,Tanaka and Western Arms

Post by ricks

1. Kit parts that don't fit properly.
2. Weak parts that break.
3. Difficult-to-find rounds.
4. Corrosive powder which means cleaning
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Post by Spencerman

I guess that the whole kit parts that dont fit is a real nasty one. You wouldnt buy an airfix plane if you had to file down and reshape the wings in order for them to fit. But, I think that I have come up with the all time thing that annoys me about modelguns. How many different versions of the 1911 are there? Hundreds, from different manufacturers and with different engravings. Many of them are only very subtle differences, or the only real difference is a different sight or something. Now, I have nothing against 1911s, I have one myself, but what does bug me, is that we are all calling out for different types of modelguns to be made, models where there are airsoft versions made by the same companies even, such as the MP5 for instance, which isnt available. I would rather see a whole new gun, Calico or something different, than yet another .45, even if it was a commemorative model or something. I know that the costs to produce a whole new model would be high, but surely there would be a high demand for certain models such as the MP5. You even see them get a lot of interest when they crop up at various shows, even if some of them look pretty hack and slash, so surely they must realise that there is so much interest there for one, yet along comes another .45, this time with someones signature stamped on the ejection port, or a compensation hole drilled in the end.
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I don't mind having to clean up some moulding flash or smoothing a part out to make it fit or move well but it does bug me when holes don't line up properly or threads don't match up.
Think Marushin XM177E2 Kit...

Parts that break quickly because the materials used are too weak. Hudsons new lightweight PPSh41 bolt for instance or even MGC's Thompson bolt face.
These models are very expensive to buy here in the UK and paying £300 - £500 ($600-$1000) for something that breaks that easy isn't funny.

Not being able to buy one anymore is the biggest Bug Factor though...

Cerwyn
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Post by richard jones

Only PFC i ever bought new was a Marushin M16 which if i remember cost me around £350 and the handguards are pure sh18-they do not fit properly no matter what you try to do with them

Post by fightdesigner

Was very bugged by the trigger on the Tanaka USP, and how easily that broke... also prefer cartridges with less separate little pieces to break or lose.

Since to me (as a props person) the nice thing with modelguns is getting to show them fire, I wish more of them were like the AR15 and Mac-11 models in that they ejected what looked like a spent casing, instead of what looks like an unfired round like the handguns tend to do.

Then again, every now and again it's nice to be able to show a fully-loaded mag going in, and then it's nice to have full size dummy rounds fit... so I guess you can't have everything!
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Post by ricks

cerwyn wrote:

I don't mind having to clean up some moulding flash or smoothing a part out to make it fit or move well but it does bug me when holes don't line up properly or threads don't match up.
Think Marushin XM177E2 Kit...
Cerwyn

Same here on the Marushin kit, although their MP40 kit was great...

Post by Jim

Maybe it's my turn now ...

1) Bad HW materials used by certain manufacturers such as the now-defunct new MGC - don't know if you guys notice that these guns stinks? I believe those made by old MGC / Kokusai / Tanaka (as well as others) use better materials...

2) Blurry markings:

My new MGC Beretta M92F - looks ordinary:



The markings on the right slide still looks OK...


Then on the left... ...I'd to turn on all the light / switch my DC to Magnifying mode & flash in order to take this pic only seeing traces of it...



Here's another Beretta M92F by American Collector's Group (i.e. Marushin)...not too good but still OK...


On the other side this is one of the best - MKK's Beretta M84:


I've to see where I can restore the blurry markings (economically) - don't want to spend USD$60 for each gun so I've to look elsewhere...