m16a2

*** Originally posted by gavin ***

i was looking for one of these earlier but did not find any how come such a famose model has not been made also the only other burt fire gun i could find is a beretta 93r

*** Originally posted by madmike ***

guess this has to do with the history of modelguns. Modelguns were very popular in the late 70s/early 80s, but at this time the M16A1 was the M16 rifle in service. The M16A2 was introduced in the mid 80s (Marines came first in 1983 if memory serves me right). But at this time modelgun makers hardly developed new models. They might have even thought that a M16A1 should be enough to satisfy collectors wanting a M16. The first A2 was the NewMGC M-725 Carbine, which is an odd design as it has all characteristics of the A2 (Case deflector, SAFE SEMI AUTO markings on the right lower receiver, A2 style flash hider (closed on the bottom to prevent kicking dirt), new pistol grip but has still A1 rear sights. I am not sure if there was a M-725 with A1 rear sights. It is proven that very early M-733 Commandos had A1 style rear sights, but I have not yet seen photos of the M-725 with this.

Regarding the burst fire mode, I do not know if modelgun companies think the collector won´t like that, or if it might be more difficult to built. Maybe that was the reason they choose the M16A2 Carbine as most Carbines before the introduction of the M4 series were limited to special forces use only, and special forces preferred full auto.

*** Originally posted by mark ***

Speaking of M16A2's..

MadMike, have you seen the modelgun version of the South Korean M16 that Dentrinity sells? I do believe that it is supposed to represent their version of the M16A2.

I have thought about buying it for sometime just to see how it looks and how it shoots but, I keep looking at its price and thinking that I could buy two MGC M725's for what Dentrinity is asking for this model. Still, its a fascinating modelgun as I do believe that it is made by WaShan??

*** Originally posted by 1911 ***

Mark,

I think you are referring to Taiwan K65 listed in Den Trinity. Right?

That K65 is not a Korean version M16; it is a Taiwanese version of AR-18. The correct name is T65K2. I carry and shoot the real steel while I served in Taiwanese Army. Similar to M16 series, K2 means the 2nd revision of the original T65. The internal mechanism was based on Stoner’s AR-18 (piston-operated design), not AR-15 (direct impingement gas-operated). Up until K2 version, T65 & T65K1 did not have carrying handle. Drawings below show how it evolved over years. When T65K2 added carrying handle, it mimic the shape of M16, most of international firearm publications automatically assume it’s a copycat of M16. Visible difference between T65K2 and M16A2 are the shape of handguard (square shape, not round shape, screw-fixed, no delta-ring), front sight (curved, not straight delta shape), rear sight (slightly different), butt stock, flash hinder, carrying handle with build-in proprietary scope adopter. Also T65 series never adopt forward assistant device that is standard since M16A1 and never had heavy barrel version. Plastic parts of the real T65K2 are green color not black. I saw some of the photos floating on the internet that T65 was carried by rebels in Somalia and Heidi Army. Photos below are Airsoft version for illustration.











Anyway, go back to modelgun version of T65K2. Due to noticable difference mentioned above, it's hard to convert it to a M16A2. It is a Taiwanese company produced this modelgun, but I do not know who did it. I heard the receiver is a revised copy of MGC AR-15. I do not own the modelgun so I do not know if the internal mechanism is AR-15 or AR-18. Judging by the photo in Den Trinity site, I would rate it as 95% accurate in terms of authentic look. This particular modelgun was also adopted (very limited numbers a long time ago) by Taiwanese government to train high school students, so it’s a government issued equipment. That’s why it has bright orange flash hinder and “For Training Use” Chinese characters painted in butt stock. Military training course is mandatory in high school. I was trained once a week for at least 1 hour. Each school stores deactivated M1903 Springfield rifle and deactivated T65. I was taught basic skill of how to zero a rifle and so on… I also had opportunity in high school to go to army’s firing range once to fire a few shoots.

After K2, the newer versions are T86 & T91. Both are carbine type. Taiwanese Army never adopts T86. A limited amount of T86/T91 were given to Jordan and used by its special forces. Rumors were that they tested and found it more reliable than AR-15 in desert environment. Their special forces opt out of M4 in favor of T86/T91. Who knows? It might be just because it’s free. Just recently, Taiwan adopts T91 as official rifle for armed forces.

T86


Jordan T86


T91

*** Originally posted by mark ***

Thanks for the information on the Taiwan K65! I haven't looked at the listing on Dentrinity for some time hence the misidentifaction of the rifle type. At any rate, this modelgun is far more interesting than I originally thought. I would perhaps buy one if they where slightly cheaper. I wonder what cartridges that they use (if any)

*** Originally posted by gavin ***

hopefully with the relese of the m733 production of new models will move faster but i wont hold my breath that is an intersting model gun and i dont think it too expensive i might eventuly get it