"Underworld" Selene's Guns...

Post by LDR

Right, i've just seen Underworld Evolutions, and i love the guns that Selene uses. I understand they are Walther P99 with laser sight, and Beretta 92F.

Now i am thinking of getting a Beretta blank or airsoft, but does anyone know what the extension on the front is? Seen here:

http://www.longmountain.com/movieguns/Underworld

Is it a compensator? If so is it custom made or can this be bought?

Any help would be great.

Also can you buy blank Walther p99 in the UK?

Post by allenb

Hi LDR

Yeah they are compensators, stuck on to make the guns look "cooler" no other reason as they aren't doing anything when the gun shoots blanks...

There are compensators available for real steel but not sure bout others.

Haven't seen any blank firer P99's available in Home Office approved side venting style but airsoft is available.

Post by Illuminatti

Yea you can get the gas blowback airsoft guns, they give a good blowback effect aswell, probably the best you'll get.

Post by LDR

Thanks for the info. Does anyone know where i can find that exact compensator? I cannot find this type at all.

Thanks!

LDR

Post by Spencerman

I personally have not seen this type of compensator either. I would guess that it was done purely for the film for cosmetics, and is not a real compensator. The closest I have seen is the Al Gi Mec conversion (ala Leon (and you may have to pardon my spelling)). This is a pretty cool looking compensator for the Beretta. If you get one that screws onto the barrel, then make sure that the Beretta you get is metal, otherwise it will have disasterous effects on the gun when you fire it. As for the P99, there are a few different models available, but I would go for the gas blowback version. It is the closest thing to the real macoy, check out my post in this section comparison to the real thing and you shall see just how close.

Post by Spencerman

Also, has just occured to me, if you were to get the Han San, Wa Shan or whatever they are called Beretta M9 (check out the Wa Shan Models under model gun reviews) and it is full metal and will also fire fully auto without the need to modify as it is a Dolphin model.

Post by LDR

Thansk Spencerman. Does the MGC M9 fire full auto? Or just the 3 round burst? I presume the Wa Shans will empty a full mag in full auto?

Sounds like the best one to replicate the Underworld gun?

Post by LDR

Ok, which is best. I would like a full auto beretta to replicate the Underworld one, may see if i can get the right compensator to.

Marushin - US M9 Dolphin HW - $1,200.00
MGC - M9 - $1,400.00
Wa Shan M9 - $1,500.00

Also which is most authentic?

Thanks!

Lewis

Post by Illuminatti

Where the hell did you get those prices?

Post by LDR

Oh its Hong Kong dollars! Not US! Ha ha.....i wouldn't pay that much!

So do you anything about these guns?

Thanks

Lewis

Post by Pencerman

The Marushin M9 Dolphin uses a completely different slide, so rule that out completely straight away. The MGC 92F is the most authentic, with all of the correct logos and markings, but unfortunately for you it is only semi auto and not full auto. Drop in parts to convert a 92F to full auto are probably not very easy to come by, so I wouldnt expect to convert it to full auto if you go for this gun, although it would be the most correct choice as far as markings and logos etc. It is also plastic, so you could encounter problems with the compensator when you fire it. Personally, I would go for the Wa Shan M9, which although doesnt have the correct logos and trademarks etc, is full metal and does fire full auto. No problems converting it, no problem with the compensator.

Post by LDR

Thanks Spencerman, a very detailed answer....perfect.

The Wa Shan it is then!

Post by Illuminatti

hehe, thank god for that! 108 quid for a full metal, thats not bad at all!

Post by LDR

Read on the forum that MGC does a full auto Beretta 92, is that correct? If its called Dolphin does it mean its fully auto?

Thanks

Lewis

Post by INTERCEPTOR

No, I don't think so, the Dolphin is just another version (with Marushin logo instead of Beretta's on the grips) if I am correct. Not completely sure, though, but It's cheaper than the major other brands Beretta's so It may be less detailed or something...
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Post by Spencerman

If I am correct, the term "Dolphin" refers to the guns ability to fire fully automatic. I dont know why, perhaps there is someone who can enlighten everyone. As far as I know, mgc dont make a dolphin version of the beretta. I could be wrong, but I have never seen one.

Post by Claymore

If you do a search on Dolphin you should find an earlier post on this. Apparenty a company in the states made a custom slide for the 92 and it was called the Dolphin (there are pics as well if i remember right) but it never went into production. The slide looks the same as the Marushin Dolphin slide but the real thing was never going to be full auto.

It is Marushin that make the full auto modelgun Dolphin and its great, buy one.

Post by LDR

Thanks guys, and so what is the full auto like? Does it jam, how fast does it get through a full mag?

Post by Illuminatti

Yea i heard they made a very small number of them, it was a custom modification by a small US company. It also fires the 9x19-Parabellum round which i believe is also different to the regular beretta 92's. And as claymore said, the gun was never originally designed to fire full auto, just a semi. It's also a closed barrel pistol, when the slide goes back only the ejection port is open, not the entire barrel.

Post by allenb

Illuminatii - Beretta 92's are chambered as standard in 9x19 Parabellum.

The Dolphin was born out of some hogwash concerning slide breakages on the US GI issue 92F. As far as I know it was never issued. Anyway, If the open slide had problems I think they would have stopped using it on the burst fire M93R.

I used to shoot a real 92SBC before the ban and never worried about the slide breaking when using hot ammo. Not something I could say about the Browning Hi Power I also shot...

So the Dolphin is most probably a "non-gun" but that didn't stop me buyin one - the Marushin Dolphin is a great modelgun, although the slidelock on mine can be tempermental.

I would recommend buying one.

Post by Mark

Actually the Dolphin was supposed to be a experimental Beretta with full-auto capacity that was designed for the U.S. Navy Seals But, there is no proff of any being tested or issued to the U.S. Navy or the "Seal" teams. I think that the Dolphin is just another fantasy "what if" gun. Now, the slide was sold by a small company in the U.S. but the slide sure looks like a Beretta made slide to me.

As for the slide breakage problem on the Beretta M92 it is true they can and have broken in some high round count situations with "hot" amunition. Beretta made changes to the design and the problem with the broken slides is history. The HI-Power will eat any 9mm "Hot" or not as it's a extremely well designed and built pistol..

MGC made an airsoft Beretta M93R but that's the closest that they got to making an select-fire Beretta. The Marushin Dolphin is an excellent modelgun ..
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