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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: "MAD Police" 9mm C.P. Cartridge ... First Impressions Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:07 pm | |
| "MAD Police" 9mm C.P. Cartridges Japanese Custom Shop
(If anyone can translate this sheet into English I'd be very grateful ) MAD Police are a Custom Shop in Japan. As a result of the major Modelgun manufacturers closing down followed quickly by reduced availability of cartridges they developed these 9mm version c.p. type cartridges a short time ago and I was lucky enough to get my hands on them to try out The cartridge has been released primarily for use in Marushin's Beretta M92 series modelguns which surprised me at first. I must admit to being rather sceptical having assumed that these were designed to replace MGC's P220 versatile cartridge which has been used in several modelgun conversions to c.p. type for improved performance as it's appearance seems to closely resemble MGC's P220Not only were these first thought, in error, to have been manufactured by TanioKoba, they were also believed to be of same lightweight Aluminium Alloy, with gold anodised finish as the .223"M4A1 TK and the newly released .45ACP cartridge.However, weighing one showed it to be 2g heavier than Brass P220 i.e. 10g compared to 8g:shock: I have since been informed they are in fact, Brass From Left to Right, Cartridge Case, "primer", Hexagon Cut Piston & 0-ring, Cartridge Top. Alongside are two assembled cartridges.Loading procedure is exactly the same as any MGC c.p. cartridge EXCEPT for the bonus feature of this cartridge... it'll accept a SECOND cap:!: . They will perform perfectly well with a single cap, but the option to use two is there. Normally it is NOT recommended to use 2 caps in c.p. or PFC cartridges because the pressures generated within the cartridge will quickly damage the cartridge body and often generate too much blowback force causing damage to bolts barrels and other expensive parts of the gun.These cartridges are designed to use One cap to generate blowback, while the second cap faces the gun's muzzle and has a clear open pathway to vent through the chamber and barrel. Excessive pressure should not become a problem if it's clear to vent straight out. It's most likely the best effects will be using open, short barreled pistols or open barreled SMGs. We'll soon see After inserting the Primer and first 7mm cap, very lightly lubricate the piston's 0-ring with Silicone Grease or Oil and push it into the casing just below the top of the caseNow, lightly oil/grease the edges of the second 7mm cap, push it into the casing, charge facing up, until it's flush with the top of the caseLastly, screw on the cartridge top:Firing Performance:As these are intended for Marushin's Beretta M92, I loaded 2 cartridges into the magazine of my M9 Dolphin. Being cautious, the first attempts used just ONE cap. They fit the magazine perfectly so all's well so far. Rack the slide back, feed the first cartridge into the chamber, no problems, no uncontrolled firing.All that remains is to pull the trigger... First squeeze resulted in a perfect firing, good extraction and ejection of the spent cartridge. The gun loaded the next cartridge ready for firing as an Automatic pistol should. Squeeze the trigger again and another satisfying perfect firing, extraction and clean ejection. I was wrong to be sceptical obviously, these work great in Marushin's M9 The next step was to re-load with new caps, but using the second cap this time. Again, perfect feeding into the chamber, no uncontrolled firing. Squeezing the trigger resulted in a much louder BANG, with a reasonable amount of muzzle effect too. As it ejected the first and chambered the next round cleanly, the next squeeze gave another loud BANG. These look really good....Checking the cartridges afterwards showed a punch mark in the centre of the pistons' top, made when the Detonator Pin struck against it. Most of my MGC pistons have similar marks but it's something to keep an eye on. The 0-rings were fine, Primers unmarked by the gun's firing pin and no evidence of rim marking.
First firing tests then, although only two cartridges each, gave excellent results. The next planned test will be using full magazines in both Single shot and Full Auto in the Dolphin .... Watch This Space Other modelgun applications:Being so similar to the MGC P220 cartridge, I'm hoping these will perform just as well in several of my converted modelguns. (i.e. converted to fire MGC P220 c.p. carts.)The cartridges fit in MGC Stirling, MGC68 MP40 and Marushin UZI magazines without problems. They do NOT, however, fit in WaShan Beretta M9 Dolphin mags' ... it seems they are marginally longer than MGCs original P220. I'll measure them accurately and report back.Next planned tests will include firing using single and double caps in MGC Stirling, MP40 and Marushin's UZI.I'll keep you informed, written reports and Videos to follow asap _________________ Cerwyn
Hobby collector of Replica model guns and Militaria. also member of Living History Reenactment Groups.
Last edited by Cerwyn on Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:40 pm; edited 5 times in total (Reason for editing : Images updated to Servimg) | |
| | | Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: "MAD Police" 9mm C.P. Cartridge ... First Impressions Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:25 pm | |
| In response to Claymore's question elsewhere, I'm told the 9mm p220 lookalikes work in Tanaka 9mm Automatic pistols too _________________ Cerwyn
Hobby collector of Replica model guns and Militaria. also member of Living History Reenactment Groups.
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| | | Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| | | | Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| | | | Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| | | | Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: "MAD Police" 9mm C.P. Cartridge ... First Impressions Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:04 pm | |
| Second Video added above _________________ Cerwyn
Hobby collector of Replica model guns and Militaria. also member of Living History Reenactment Groups.
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| | | Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: "MAD Police" 9mm C.P. Cartridge ... First Impressions Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:02 pm | |
| Tanio Koba promo' video of the new carts in Beretta M9 Modelgun _________________ Cerwyn
Hobby collector of Replica model guns and Militaria. also member of Living History Reenactment Groups.
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| | | Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: "MAD Police" 9mm C.P. Cartridge ... First Impressions Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:56 pm | |
| The Video does not really convey how much louder this is compared to standard single cap MGC P220 cartridges, but take it from me, this is noticeably louderThe only downside, unfortunately, is that the Detonator Pin gets so dirty after one magazine load it'll start jamming when a second mag is inserted. Cleaning is relatively easy thankfully so it's not a huge problem.Edit 26/04/12:
Whether or not Cap Smoke, the sound of a full metal MP40 chattering through it's ammunition at that wonderful slow rate is intoxicating to the point of taking me beyond blindness and stupidity, the fact remains both I, and the guy firing in the video above failed to notice the '40 running away with itself and continuing to fire a few rounds after releasing the trigger This will obviously need checking out but a check of both sear and bolt showed both to be in good shape. Next thing is to check the recoil spring. Following that, a test fire using MGC P220 cartridges, this model's intended cartridge, should prove interesting I'll let you know how things go...... _________________ Cerwyn
Hobby collector of Replica model guns and Militaria. also member of Living History Reenactment Groups.
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| | | Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: "MAD Police" 9mm C.P. Cartridge ... First Impressions Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:23 am | |
| A quick test fire last night using 6 only MGC P220 cartridges in my MGC68 MP40 gave faultless results. Trigger control is so good that all 6 were fired as if in Semi-Auto. No over-runs, no problems as seen in the Video above. I need to fire a magazine loaded with at least 28 P220 next to see how controllable burst firing is then.Using the cartridge library to check dimensions, TanioKoba 9mm carts are 9.10mm dia. while MGC P220 are 9.15mm dia. Yet, the TK carts require more effort to extract from the chamber when cycling the gun manually. Carts are double capped using "dead" caps . It'll need a little more investigation but I'm of the opinion the Detonator Pin my be getting stuck in the second cap which is the first thing it hits. If the Pin is embedding itself in the plastic cap, it may be the reason why it takes so much more effort to extract.If this is the case, over-run and uncontrolled burst fire may be due to gas pressure being wasted during Blowback, leaving too little to push the bolt back bhind the Sear _________________ Cerwyn
Hobby collector of Replica model guns and Militaria. also member of Living History Reenactment Groups.
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| | | Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: "MAD Police" 9mm C.P. Cartridge ... First Impressions Wed May 02, 2012 10:45 am | |
| Another firing session yesterday gave me time to try my MGC MP40 again.
Using standard MGC P220, single capped cartridges, 28 per magazine, it fired faultlessly. Trigger control makes single shots possible, quite easily. Burst fire totally controllable 3, 5, 10 shots, as many as you'd like. The conclusion therefore, is that the gun is perfect and not responsiblefor the overuns shown in the video above.
Double capping the MGC P220s, in the same manner as the TK 9mm, gave a completely different result, 6 cartridges in the mag.... uncontrollable overun, all 6 rattled off when a single shot was tried for. Same result as the TK 9mm. Checking the cartridges over afterwards showed the upper cap had been deformed by impacting against the Det.Pin (to be expected really) but I'm beginning to think that the fired cap wraps itself around and grabs the det.pin momentarily. This may, possibly, jam the cartridge just long enough to waste blowback pressure shoving it out of the chamber and not leaving nough force to blow the bolt back past the Sear
This overun problem did not occurr when I fired the TK 9mm carts in my Stirling which uses the same type of chamber & det.pin.
Next, I loaded 10 TK 9mm Double capped carts into Marushin's M9 Dolphin. 3 semi-auto shots, perfect. 7 in full auto, also perfect.
The next 10 in full auto, faultless. The last 12 in short bursts of automatic fire, PERFECT. LOUD, great muzzle effect, faultless firing. This is the modelgun these TK 9mm were designed for and they work brilliantly as Double Capped.
All that remains is to try the TK carts, single capped, in the MGC MP40 now... _________________ Cerwyn
Hobby collector of Replica model guns and Militaria. also member of Living History Reenactment Groups.
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| | | Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: "MAD Police" 9mm C.P. Cartridge ... First Impressions Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:41 pm | |
| Updated _________________ Cerwyn
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