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PostSubject: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeSat Oct 06, 2012 12:01 pm

Hey all, I am thinking about buying some caps for my Tanaka, I'm just worried that I'll break them by firing! How big of a risk is their of failure? I have a G18, G17 and a Beretta M92.
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PostSubject: Re: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeSat Oct 06, 2012 12:39 pm

Hi. I don't think there's much risk of breaking model guns by firing caps since most of them are designed to fire caps anyway. The actual cap only contains about 0.01 gram of compound anyway. If you clean the model gun and cartridges after firing then chances are you'll be fine. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeSat Oct 06, 2012 3:27 pm

I have a Tanaka USP.

It has had a broken slide x2, bolt, trigger, striker, extractor and barrel link.
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PostSubject: Re: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeSat Oct 06, 2012 3:27 pm

Display pieces they are then!
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PostSubject: Re: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeSat Oct 06, 2012 3:39 pm

Not sure what you mean but point is that with late model Tanaka handguns all parts that come under stress are waiting to break as they consist of either plastic, plastic mixed with metal powder or monkey metal.
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PostSubject: Re: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeSat Oct 06, 2012 9:13 pm

It will break, slides barrels trigger all will break especially if you use the older tanaka rounds the new rounds are a bit gentler with the gun but all tanaka modelguns have a tendency to break i am afraid which is unfortunate as they are great when the they fire.
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PostSubject: Re: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeSun Oct 07, 2012 3:38 am

Spare parts are too hard to come by here, so bugger.
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PostSubject: Re: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeSun Oct 07, 2012 9:20 pm

josh676 wrote:
How big of a risk is their of failure? I have a G18, G17 and a Beretta M92.
I only have Tanaka USP, but to be honest this is one of the modeguns that seem very fragile compared to MGC, Marushin and other makers. It fires very well though.

After just about 40 shots barrel is aready damaged - check "Problems" section in my review:
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t2343-tanaka-hk-usp
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PostSubject: Re: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeThu Oct 18, 2012 11:03 pm

I had 2 tanakas and they both broke . I was using the solid standard brass type rounds in the gun and had no problems , but then i switched to the black plastic type rounds that had the brass collar and split in 2 half's , that's when they both broke .
I had a tanaka 226 and u.s.p.
Both in bits now Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeFri Oct 19, 2012 10:07 am

killermoostache70 wrote:
I had 2 tanakas and they both broke . I was using the solid standard brass type rounds in the gun and had no problems , but then i switched to the black plastic type rounds that had the brass collar and split in 2 half's , that's when they both broke .
I had a tanaka 226 and u.s.p.
Both in bits now Sad

I'm curious, what are the black plastic type cartridges you used in your Tanaka 226 and USP please Question I'm familiar with the Brass bodied, aluminium tipped carts but not the black plastic ones you mention. Could you tell me more about these please Question

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PostSubject: Re: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeFri Oct 19, 2012 7:09 pm

I'm curious, what are the black plastic type cartridges you used in your Tanaka 226 and USP please Question I'm familiar with the Brass bodied, aluminium tipped carts but not the black plastic ones you mention. Could you tell me more about these please Question


I've seen a picture on this forum somewhere , but will find one of mine and post a picture of the type i mean.
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PostSubject: Re: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeFri Oct 19, 2012 7:40 pm

Cerwyn,

Check Tanaka USP review, Jim posted pictures and information on those:
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t2343-tanaka-hk-usp
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PostSubject: Re: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeFri Oct 19, 2012 7:42 pm

Cheers smootik for that but i have found one .


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PostSubject: Re: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeFri Oct 19, 2012 9:07 pm

Strange cartridge. Is the brass tube there to keep the two plastic parts together when it's fired? I'd imagine they are cheaper and easier to produce since there's no threaded portion and less metal.
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PostSubject: Re: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeFri Oct 19, 2012 10:17 pm

Spot on S. Thomas , the primer sits in between the to half's and the brass collar makes a tight seal. Here is some pictures of the rounds assembled thanks to Jim .
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t2343-tanaka-hk-usp
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PostSubject: Re: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeSat Oct 20, 2012 4:57 am

My Pleasure Guys Very Happy ...if I remembered correctly these plastic rounds were only 1/4 the price of the current metal ones (i.e. price a bag of 30 plastic is 1/2 the price of a box of 15 metal)...but these rounds were more fragile than the gun so Tanaka dropped these eventually...

Like to keep these plastic rounds because these looks like a German-made 9mm blanks (Plastikmanöverpatrone Question ) with "black bullet" (2nd from the right):

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PostSubject: Re: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeSat Oct 20, 2012 10:37 am

That's the same blank round the British army uses, or did use in the past.
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PostSubject: Re: Modelgun Breakage   Modelgun Breakage Icon_minitimeSun Oct 21, 2012 10:51 am

Thanks for the info' explaining these black plastic Tanaka cartridges Very Happy

I couldn't recall seeing them in smootik's review and jim's posts Embarassed We'll have to get these listed in the Cartridge Library for future reference.

Thanks again

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