Dress Up my Modelgun

Post by probelx

In Japan, there are many people enjoying that they obtain accessories for RealGun,
and dress up their ModelGun.
The grip which is put on when I won it in ModelGun is made by plastic,
and what I change in grip of RealGun is done in particular flourishingly
because there are many toy-like things.
Will it be so in a country of all of you?

http://probelx.fc2web.com/lh.jpg
http://www.geocities.jp/plobelx/m439_01.jpg
http://www.geocities.jp/plobelx/M29001.jpg

日本では、実銃用のアクセサリーを手に入れて自分のModelGunをドレスアップする事を楽しむ人が多いです。
特に、ModelGunを買った時に装着されているグリップは、プラスチック製でおもちゃっぽい物が多い為に、実銃用のグリップに交換することが盛んに行なわれています。皆さんの国でもそうなのでしょうか？

Post by Mark

Hi Probelx,

Yes, we like to put real grips on our modelguns too, as the factory plastic grips don't look very good and they don't look realistic either.

I have only one modelgun that I have put real grips on (my Marushin Colt Combat Commander) The actual grips can be expensive in the U.S. for certain types of guns.

I know that MGC made very nice reproductions of real gun grips and holsters do you see the MGC holsters for sale often in Japan?

Probelx、やあ、

はい、工場プラスチックグリップがあまりよく見えない、そして、彼らが現実的に見えもしなくて、我々は本当の握りを我々のmodelgunsにも置くのが好きです。

私は、私が握りがそうすることができるドキュメンタリー（私のマルシンコルト戦闘指揮官）に対する置かれた本当の支配力を銃の特定のタイプのためにアメリカで高価にしてもらう1つのmodelgunだけを持ちます。

私は、握りとホルスターがあなたにする本当の銃の非常に素晴らしい再生を作られるMGCがしばしば日本で売りに出されていてMGCホルスターを見るということを知っています？

Post by John

Well. It is a very exciting topic. Luckily, it is possible and totally legal to do this in Hong Kong. Both the real gun or modelgun grips and stocks are freely and legally available in those modelgun shops here. However, they are not cheap.
The most popular pistol grips are for the M1911 and M92F.
I particularly like the wooden grip for M1911, it fits the MGC M1911 perfectly. The Hogue rubber grip also fits the Marushin M92F perfectly. Besides, the S&W revolver's grips are also widely available (but very expensive) and they generally fit the Kokusai corresponding revolvers.
Tanaka also supplies wooden grips for its P38, P08 and revolvers airsoft but I heard they may not fit other brands' modelguns.

Getting realistic grips on modelguns is very interesting and enjoyable but it is also very expensive. E.g. a pair of wooden M1911 grip costs from US$40-100. A Hogue M92F rubber grip costs around US$40-50.

By the way, I'm still looking for a wooden grip for my Marushin Enfield No.2 Mark 1 revolver ! Real wooden grip particularly enhances very much the outlook of the classic pistols like M1911, ancient revolvers, P08, P38.


さて。Itは、非常に刺激的な話題です。幸運にも、香港でこうすることは、可能で、全く合法的です。本当の銃またはmodelgunグリップと株は、それらのmodelgun店でここで、自由に、そして、法的に利用できます。しかし、彼らは安くはありません。
最も人気があるピストル形の握りは、M1911とM92Fに賛成です。
私は特にM1911のために木の握りが好きです、それは完全にMGC M1911に合います。ホーグゴムグリップも、完全にマルシンM92Fに合います。また、S&Wリボルバーの旅行カバンはまた、広く利用できます（しかし、非常に高価な）、そして、彼らは通常、国際対応するリボルバーに合いました。
タナカもそのP38、P08とリボルバーairsoftに木の握りを供給します、しかし、私は彼らが他のブランドのmodelgunsに合わないかもしれないと聞いていました。

modelgunsに対する現実的な支配力を得ることは非常に面白くて楽しいです、しかし、それはまた、非常に高価です。例えば、一対の木のM1911は、US$40-100から経費をつかみます。ホーグM92Fゴムグリップは、US$40-50のまわりでコストがかかります。

ところで、私は私のマルシンエンフィールドNo.2マークのために、木の握りのために1丁のリボルバーにまだ見えています！本当の木の握りは、特にとてもM1911、古代のリボルバー、P08、P38のような古典的なピストルの展望を強化します。

Post by Mark

Speaking of wooden grips, I have seen wooden Beretta M93R grips before on KSC M93R's in various Japanese modelgun shops and websites.

Are these real Beretta M93R grips? I would like to buy a set of them, does anyone know where to find them?

木の握りについて話して、KSCの上でM93Rがいろいろな日本のmodelgun店とウェブサイトにある前に、私は木のベレッタM93Rグリップを見ました。

これらの本当のベレッタM93Rは、握りですか？彼らから1セットを買いたいです、誰かどこで彼らを見つけるべきかについてわかっていますか？

Post by Claymore

I have seen them on one of the airsoft sites, wooden grips for the airsoft model but the airsoft and modelgun are basically the same i think.

I will check the sites and let you know which one.

Post by Mark

That's great claymore! I would definitely appreciate the information! And yes, the M93R airsoft that is produced by KSC/KJ are identical to the modelgun version (grips and small parts wise)

Anyways my M93R's would certainly look better with the wooden grip pannels!

Post by Claymore

Mark, it is den trinity who have the wooden grips for the 93R they are mulberry field ones $52, which for me in the UK seems a good price but for you maybe not.

This is the link:_

http://www.dentrinityshop.com/pr_list.jsp?cid=COA&bid=WOS

Post by Mark

Thanks for the link claymore! I didn't even think to check dentrinity for them as I didn't figure that they carried them!

The M93R grips look great but, I have seen some much nicer versions than the ones that they show, the versions that I have seen, have the Beretta emblem laser engraved into the grip panels.

Thanks again!

Post by John

I rather like wooden grip to go to the ancient pistols.
Wood makes things look & feel more classic. Ancient pistols are of course classic. They are perfect match.

Anyone knows where I could find the wooden grip for my Marushin Enfield No.2 Mark 1 revolver ?

私は、むしろ、古代のピストルへ行くために、木の握りが好きです。：転がってください：
ウッドは、ものルック＆フィールをより古典的にします。古代のピストルは、もちろん古典的です。彼らは、完璧なマッチです。

誰でも、私が私のマルシンエンフィールドNo.2マークのために木の握りが1丁のリボルバーだとわかることができたところを知っています？

Post by Mark

Hi John, try this place they usually carry these grips and in fact they do here: http://www.e-gunparts.com/product.asp?chrProductSKU=120110A

Try them and let me know..If they don't have what you are looking for, I will look for more suppliers.

Post by John

Thanks so much Mark.
So it is the grip for the real Enfield.
The problem is how can we know the grip designed for real one could fit to the particular model of modelgun before someone tried it before ?
I know Marushin produced the wooden grip for its Enfield long time ago. I wonder if it can still be available somewhere.

I have experience of trying to buy the Python wooden grip gun) in Hong Kong. Fortunately I could bring my modelgun to the shop & try before buy. The result is neither the MGC nor the Kokusai Python could take the real Python wooden grip !

Post by Mark

I see...That is what I thought..I have tried to use MGC grips on my real Combat Commander but, they don't fit with out working on them..I think what the problem is is that the modelguns are made with metric tolerances where as the real guns in most cases(American, British etc.)are in Inch tolerances which makes the interchange difficult.

But, I think that it might be worth buying the real Enfield grips and fitting them to the Marushin might be worth it...

Post by probelx

Grip made by mulberry field obtained in dentrinity is the best.
I can mount modelgun without doing a fine adjustment entirely. Besides, important mechanism (3-birst) completely works.
A maker except it releases grip for 93R, but needs a little adjustment of the user side.
I think that it is a thing made by altamont that saw Mark.
This seems to have hit or miss.
Because I own this, I show a photograph later.
About grip of a gun except it, we are the same situation, too. Now Marushin does not supply grip of Marushin Enfield.
Therefore, there is not a method except that we purchase realgun grip and arrange it.
In such a meaning, people living in the country which is easy to obtain grip of rialgun are envious of us.

dentrinityで手に入れられるmulberry field 製のgripは最高です。
追加工無しにピッタリ付くのはもちろんのこと。肝心の３birstメカニズムも完全に機能します。
それ以外のメーカーも出してはいますが、このあたりが完全にはクリアしきれず、ユーザー側の調整を必要としています。
Markが見たというのは、アルタモント製のものではないでしょうか？
これも当たり外れがあるようです。
あとで写真もアップしますね。
それ以外の銃に関しては、我々も同じです、Marushin Enfield のgripは現在ではMarushinは作っていません。
従って、我々もどうしても欲しければ、realgunのを購入してアレンジするしか方法はありません。
そう言う意味では、rialgunのgripを入手しやすい国に住んでいる人たちはうらやましいです。

Post by Mark

Hi probelx,

Thanks for the information! Mullberry field makes very nice parts and cartridges!

I think that I have seen the other grips that you mention. They look very nice and they look very expensive, I don't know if they are factory Beretta or someone else.

Altamont? I have not heard of them, are they Japanese? or ?

If altamont made the grips that I have seen they look the best of all of the Beretta grips that I have yet seen..

Do you need any real gun grips? I have 2-3 pairs of real wooden gun grips that I will trade for modelgun cartridges! (I have mostly Smith&Wesson grips M19,M29,M10) perhaps, we can work something out..


やあprobelxに、

情報をありがとう！Mullberryフィールドは、非常に素晴らしい部品とカートリッジを製造します！

私は、私があなたが言及する他の握りを見たと思います。彼らは非常に素晴らしく見えます、そして、彼らは非常に費用がかかるように見えますと、彼らが工場ベレッタまたは他の誰かであるならば、私が知りません。

Altamont？私は、彼らについて耳にしませんでした、彼らは日本語ですか？または？

altamontが私が見た握りをするならば、彼らは私がまだ見たベレッタグリップの全ての最高に見えます..

あなたは、本当の銃グリップを必要としますか？私は、私がmodelgunカートリッジと交換する2-3対の本当の木の銃グリップをします！おそらく、我々は何かをもたらすことができます（私は、大部分はSmith&WessonグリップM19,M29,M10を持ちます）..

Post by probelx

mark wrote:

Do you need any real gun grips? I have 2-3 pairs of real wooden gun grips that I will trade for modelgun cartridges! (I have mostly Smith&Wesson grips M19,M29,M10) perhaps, we can work something out..
あなたは、本当の銃グリップを必要としますか？私は、私がmodelgunカートリッジと交換する2-3対の本当の木の銃グリップをの用意があります！おそらく、我々はお互いに役に立ちそうですね（私は、Smith&WessonグリップM19,M29,M10を持ってます）..

I want them by all means. realgun-grip is very expensive in Japan.
If a condition matches, let's do trade.
At first would you show a photograph?
In addition, is modelgun cartridges of which type necessary?
By the way, this is a photograph of altamont grip for 93R which I own.
http://www.geocities.jp/plobelx/93Rgrip.JPG
This is black-walnut, but Rosewood and a checkers type are released elsewhere, too.
Because it is sold in Japan by an import agency, I consider altamontgrip to be a maker for realgun.
http://www.sksman.com/grips/grips1.html
But a letter of Beretta is not found in this site.
I imagine that they may make it exclusively for Japanese Toygun.
Because realgun93R is not the gun which generally spreads widely.
About a price, a lower site may be useful.
http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/trade/itemlist/130?current_category_id=54
ぜひ私はそれらが欲しいです。日本ではrealgun-gripは非常に高いです。
条件があれば、交換しましょう。
まず写真を見せていただけませんか？
また、そちらが必要とするmodelgun cartridgesはどのタイプですか？
私が所有しているaltamont　grip　for　93Rの写真です。
http://www.geocities.jp/plobelx/93Rgrip.JPG
私の93Rgripはblack-walnutですが、他にもrosewoodやチェッカータイプもあります。
altamontgripは、日本では輸入代理店から販売されているので、realgun用のメーカーだと思います。
http://www.sksman.com/grips/grips1.html
でもここにはberettaの文字は見つかりませんね。
もともとrealgun93Rと言うのは、市販されているのではないので、もしかしたら日本のToygun用に作らせているのかもしれません。
値段に関しては。下のサイトが参考になるかも知れません。
http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/trade/itemlist/130?current_category_id=54

Post by Mark

Hi Probelx,

Ok, there is a gun show in town tomorrow.

1. I can buy more grips, what types do you want?

2. I can get more grips tomorrow if you let me know what types that you want tonight (04/2/05)

3. I can buy them and then I can email you the pictures of the grips that you want (if I can find them for you) tomorrow (04/3/05).

4. Then, we can discuss the arrangements for cartridges etc.

Probelx、やあ、

Ok、銃ショーが、明日、町にあります。

1.私はより多くの握りを買うことができます、あなたはどんなタイプを望みますか？

2.あなたが私をあなたが今夜（04/2/05）望むなんとタイプ知らせるならば、私は明日より多くの握りを得ることができます

3.私は彼らを買うことができます、それから、私はあなたが明日（04/3/05）望む（私があなたのために彼らを見つけることができるならば）握りの絵についてあなたに電子メールを送ることができます。

4.それから、我々はカートリッジその他の準備を議論することができます。

Post by probelx

Hi Mark
I am sorry that a reply is late.
I think that I am not in time for gun show anymore.
What I need now || as follows.

1.Walnut TargetStocks for N-frame
2.Walnut TargetStocks for K/N-frame
3.Walnut Grip(or Rubber grip) for M39

However, nothing has to be a new article.
The reason is because one having a wound a little has a feeling of reality.
For a budget, I think for about $ 30.
At this price, I know that I cannot purchase a new article.
How will be it in trade with modelgun cartridges2 - 3case/1pairs of grips this time?
Therefore, at first please show grips which you own even if you do not purchase it at a show.
Thank you

返信が遅れて申し訳ないです。
もうgun showには間に合わないと思います。
私が今必要としているのは下記の通りです。
1.Walnut TargetStocks for N-frame
2.Walnut TargetStocks for K/N-frame
3.Walnut Grip(or Rubber grip) for M39
しかし、どれも新品である必要はありません。
多少傷があった方が、rialityがあるからです。
予算としては、$30程度で考えています。
この値段では、私は新品を購入できない事は知っています。
今回は、modelgun cartridges2～3case/1pairs of grips とのtradeではいかがでしょうか？
従って、わざわざショーで新規に購入しなくとも、まずはMarkが所持しているgripsを見せてください。
ありがとう。

Post by Mark

Hi Probelx, did you get my email? No, you didn't miss the gun show! I bought some grips there and I sent you the pictures..So please let me know if you received my email and the pictures.

やあProbelx、あなたは私の電子メールを受けとりましたか？いいえ、あなたは銃ショーを見のがしませんでした！私はいくらかの握りをそこで買いました、そして、私はあなたに絵..を送りましたので、あなたが私の電子メールと絵を受けたかどうかわからせてください。

Post by nattyjack

Hi there,
i have a marusin enfield and have bought a set of real wooden grips. i havent fitted them yet as they need a little alteration. They are not a straitforward swop.
Nattyjack

Post by John

Hi Nattyjack,

Much appreciate if you could post photo to show your Enfield with real wooden grip after you complete the work.

Post by John

OK. This is another form of dress-up, or add-on to my USP.
All parts of bridge, torch, laser aim which are cheap ABS plastics, come from those cheap springer sets and thus very cheap.
It is just for fun. Of course, it's also good for display purpose.

Post by rizzo

haha, very cool! That looks like a gun out of Mission Impossible

Post by Spencerman

I have always wanted to modify my 1911 and 92F to add compensators etc. I would like to make my 1911's look like the ones that are used in the new Punisher movie, and my 92F look like the dolphins used in Underworld (and I am sure that someone is going to try and convince me that they are actually 93's used in Underworld, but I dont believe you). I know that these parts would serve no functional use on this type of gun, but I want them for cosmetic reasons.

Does anybody know where I can this sort of accessory from?

I can find pretty much most things on the internet such as holsters, sights, grips etc, but not any compensators. These parts used to easy to get before some burocratic idiot decided that people like me (and probably many other model gun collector) cannot be trusted to have real guns.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Last edited by Spencerman on Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:10 pm; edited 1 time in total

Post by Claymore

You might find that the majority of airsoft accesories will fit model guns (maybe some might need a bit of work to fit) also modelgun collector i know will do a Robocop model based on the 93R so if they do that i am sure they could customise any other model, for a price of course