Wa Shan Modelguns

Post by Claymore

I have been looking on the www.gunnguys.com site and they have wa shan model guns (listed under other). These guns it seems are full metal and they have a good selection all around the HK$ 1400 -1500.

Can anyone tell me if these are blowback models or just replica's. If they are blowback what rounds do the take and are they modified mgc-marushin etc.

If they are blowback how good are they as i would love to have an all metal blowback auto.

Somehow i think i am going to be dissapointed though and these will be just plain replica

Post by Mark

Well, I have noticed that dentrinity is carrying the Wa Shan modelguns and in their picture of them they seem to be selling them with several extra cartridges..


I think that I might buy one of the Ha Shan "Glocks" at $155 that seems like a good deal for a zinc cap firing modelgun!

Post by Mark

You mean the Haw Shan G17 has a metal frame??? That's strange, why did they do that? An all metal Glock...Still it sounds kind of cool though..I would like to have one though so, I may buy one..But, I would like to buy one of the Haw Shan's Sig 220's that I had seen on another site..

Post by Mark

Hmm, an all zinc Glock..It makes sense to make an all zinc Sig, Colt,Smith&Wesson etc. But not an all zinc Glock perhaps the plastic frame was considered cheap or something? maybe you could ask them?

Post by rizzo


UNcompany (www.uncompany.com) also do Wa Shan model guns under 'others' in their collector section.

However, I have spoken to a friend who owns a Wa Shan 1911 and he says the workmanship is very poor, with the metal rusting underneath the paint. I would stick with MGC tbh

Post by Mark

Quote :

There are full auto M9 'Dolphins' made by MGC.

True, there are M9 dolphins made by Marushin. But even the HW version of the dolphin slide is lighter than the all zinc Hwa-Shan slide.
The slide rushing back and forth gives the simulation of recoil and an all metal gun always feels "right" when it's being "fired"

Post by rizzo

definately I'm just wondering how long rusty slides/ frames will last
I have a KJW M9 airsoft gun, and thats full metal. Very nice and only £80 or so

Now if you could fit those frames and slides, that would be HOT

Post by Mark

A metal slide/frame will easily out last a ABS plastic frame/slide combination even "rusty"

Although, I am not quite sure what you mean by "rusty" perhaps, you meant to say corrosion as zinc doesn't rust.

I have seen pictures of the Haw Shans that appear to have bubbles under the finish is that what your friend is refering to as "rust"?

Post by rizzo

Nope, Wa Shan aren't made from Zinc, its low quality iron or steel (i read elsewhere). I mean rust as in iron oxide I don't know how this would effect the longetivity of the slide... but still. Also, the internals are meant to be pathetic, but don't quote me on this I'll get my friend to post on here with more info

Post by Mark

Mmmm, the Haw Shans are cast low-grade Iron? That is an unusual step for a replica gun manufacturer as it does seem to invite illegal modifications..

If they are cast iron or steel that kind of makes me want to order one and see just how "bad" they are.

I might just buy one of the Glocks that dentrity is offering to see what they are like.

Post by Mark

Mark,

I think you always prefer "full-auto". Why don't you consider the M9 first, though it is a bit more expensive than Glock ?

Yes, it is also well known that the Haw San models were easily modified in Taiwan to fire live ammun. (though the ammun itself is also produced underground.) So the law in Taiwan has recently been changed to strictly control the buy & sell & ownership of all modelguns there.

Post by Mark



I didn't choose the Haw Shan M9 mostly because Dentrinity doesn't carry it and they seem to have the best Haw Shan prices (unless you can suggest a better source)

I was thinking of modifying the Haw Shan into a G-18 by possibly using KSC G-18 parts in the slide...

Post by 2sharp

Can anyone that owns one of these Wa Shan model guns please shoot some detailed pictures?
Preferably both assembled and dis-assembled.

It'd be much appreciated

Post by Claymore (Dec 24, 2005)

I have imported loads of stuff and no problems what so ever (apart from getting caught for vat etc) but that is only occasionally. I never buy anything that is known to be a problem in the UK, but anything bought from HK or Japan is not going to cause anyone over here any trouble. Anything they can sell we can buy.

So dont hang around get what you can while you can, because according to the government you will still be able to buy and import spare parts for what you own.

Andy the wa shan models have have caught my interest before but the problem is rounds for these guns. The rounds seem to be pre-loaded with a cap and disposable, so where do you get more from (big problem) if they are not disposable then the cartridge size is still different (i think) from any other modelgun. So if you buy one where will you get the rounds to fire it.

That is the reason i have not bothered to purchase one as i really dont think you will get any rounds to fire the thing.

I have also heard that they are not that reliable and considering how awkard modelguns can be i have a feeling you will be disapointed if you buy one.

I do know of a place in the states that sells these guns but very expensive and again no extra rounds to buy.

Wa san, Haw san however they are spelt are legal in the UK. I was offered one from a guy over here at a caost of £200, not worth it. I would really like an all metal blowback auto but i just dont think these Haw san models are the way to go.

Post by helfire

Hi Claymore,

Thanks for the info it's very much appreciated

Are the cartridges that come with the gun totally unusable after they have been fired?..... a bit like 9mm blanks?
as john said you can get reusable cartridges though,
do you think it would be worth while asking one of the uk dealers if they could supply us with the models and the reusable cartridges?
saying that i would'nt like to get in anymore trouble with the law

Cheers...Andy
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Post by Claymore

The availability of the rounds for these models is the biggest problem, even if you can reuse the ones that come with it at some stage you will need spares as the rounds will get damaged.

I think there a a few people on this forum that would like to try one of these guns but without a good supply of rounds i would rather spend my money on MGC's etc.

I did enquire through Jay at modelguns about these models, the answer i got was not encouraging. So i doubt that any of the suppliers over here (and i know of only 2) would be interested in importing any. If anyone does find a good source for the rounds then i would be interested myself

Post by Claymore

Hi John, this is the problem taiwan seems to be the only place that sell these rounds and email is a waste of time so until we can find another source i dont see the point in buying the gun

Post by Spencerman

I have a few of these. They are not as bad as people have mentioned finnish wise. I think that they are pretty good, not great, but still pretty good. I could not comment on the material quality though, all I know is that I have no problems. It is true about the cartridges though, I would love to get a load of the pre-loaded disposable ones as they are great fun and you dont have to spend hours looking for them all after a good session!

I will post some pictures and more information when I get a chance to take some.

I have two of the Glock 17s, and they are both different? One has a more realistic look to the frame than the other, but both are great. They look great and feel great. Although the metal frame is incorrect for a Glock, it does give it a very heavy, well balanced feel, and is cold as steel to the touch, giving a very realistic gun feel to it.

The Beretta is indeed capable of firing full auto, but the screw on the selector switch easily shears off, not too much of a problem to modify or replace if you wanted to, but I doubt it will get much use to switch off from full auto! It has again a very nice heavy and realistic feel, and the slide makes a rather nice clunk noise as it recoils and then returns.

The 1911 has a Matt style finnish, and to be honest is probably the most dissapointing one of these, because it gives it a more plastic feel to it (although it is still colder than plastic etc., just not as good the above). I found that all of the engraving is not 100% perfect, but it is not as bad as earlier posts may have led to believe. The only real poor part is a little more work could have been done to the ejection port, but it is still not that bad. I will definately post some pictures using my new camera for christmas !

Now here is the really great part for others on here who use these model guns to make films with. There is no bar in the barrel. The barrels are completely open (although blocked up to a degree near the chamber by the pin, blocking about 60% of the barrel). This means that you can film some pretty nive shots that are not ruined or have to be re-shot because the bar can be clearly seen. Again, I will post pictures.

Price wise I got quite a few of these at once, but the guy I got them from wanted £200 each. I know that if ordered from abroad then the duty here in the U.K. is fairly high for these, and would probably set you back around £30. Still probably cheaper.

The re-useable round are not so much of an issue, as I am sure that most people will not buy just one, , so as the Glock and Berettas are all 9mm (not sure about the Sig) you will very soon get plenty of rounds to use. I may even get another Glock myself (I dont know why, I already have about four of them now, but I just want another one).

With regaurds to the earlier mention of Tokyo Hobby and Tokyo Model, I have never used Tokyo Hobby, and after what people have said do not intend to, but Tokyo Model are very good and very reliable. They also have a pretty good stock. I have used them for many different parts on many different occasions, and I shall continue to do so quite happily. I only once had a problem, and sent them an email, and they were very helpful. Shame that more places havent been as good.

Post by Spencerman

The quantity of rounds varied with all the 9mm ones that I have. 7 rounds for the .45. The 9mms came with between 6 - 10 re-useable rounds, and an equal amount of preloaded ones (which I think are great(if only I could get a load more!)). I may try and feed an mgc 9mm into one later and see what happens, though that would probably make life just too easy.

Post by Spencerman

Well...the mgc/real look cartridges do chamber in the M9, but I am not able to try and fire it at the moment, so all that I can tell you is that it fits and will cycle by hand without problem.

Now...Ihave been busy with my camera and the results look ok. How do I post them onto here for you all to see? [/img]

Post by Spencerman

Ok, try this:

http://groups.msn.com/ReplicaFirearms/homepage.msnw

I have posted some pictures here for you all to see . Be warned though that they are not fantastic . I have done the best I can at the moment...bloody camera!

The only problems that I had were with the 1911 it jammed after every shot, but this was very easily rectified as all it needed was a little oil, so I stripped it down and oiled it up as per the real steel version (although I couldnt remove the barrel, as the guide rod cover wouldnt come out - probably just needs a little force, but I tend not to force parts).
The other problem I had was with one of the Glocks, where the slide kept on travelling backa few mm's as you squeezed the trigger. Again, very easy to strip down, and I just removed one of the springs which was putting a little bit too much tension on the slide, and it is now fine.

Other that that, no problems, I have found them to be very nice guns. I want to get another Glock (though I dont know why as I have a few now, two full metal ones.) and I am toying with the idea of the Sig P220, although I prefer the P226 or P228.

Post by rizzo

Is the finish blued or painted? What's it like on your 92F?

Post by Spencerman

I would say that they are painted. The finnish is pretty good, certainly better than any blank firer that I have ever seen. The one I dislike most is the 1911 because it is a matt finnish, and I personally prefer a more glossy blued appearance, but the finnish is still very good. The slides are very smooth, and usually if you look along a cheap replica or blank firer, you can see that the slide or frame are not straight and smooth like a real gun, they distort. There is very little distortion here, which in my book makes them pretty good. I am a little confused about the term blued when referring to model guns. I never thought that it was possible to blue them, due to the process of bluing relying on a kind of rust reaction, and a cheap alloy or aluminium (as most replica guns seem to be one or the other) would not rust in the same way as steel, therefor making it impossible to blue? I personally love the warm blue, similar to most S&W revolvers, and if I could strip one of these and dip it, it would become a great model, and as far as I am concerned, would be much better than mgc etc., perhaps that is the advantage of metal over plastic?

Post by rizzo

Ah right- Yes I've heard the colt 1911 finish is unimpressive.

THe Haw San M9- i see you also have the MGC version, which is more reliable in terms of shooting? And are the cartridges interchangeabale?

Post by Claymore

I have found a place that say they can get as many of the reusable rounds as we want but the disposable are hard to come by i have asked if they can give a price.

The site has been mentioned before on here and unfortunatly its an expensive place to buy from so i dont expect the rounds to be cheap. The place is airsoftmadness which is in the states, as i say the price of the models is exceptionaly high, but if we cannot get the rounds anywhere else we dont have much choice if we want spares.