Wa Shan Modelguns

Post by rizzo

True Do they sell spares separately or only when you've bought a gun?
Guns n guys do Hawsan for around £130 each

Post by Spencerman

I could not really compare one to the other, as I do not tend to shoot them too much. I do tend to prefer the mgc version probably because the markings are correct(not that you can see these when firing). I do not think that the finnish on the 1911 is bad, just not quite to my liking, but then I am not too keen on silver guns and yet other people love them. If I get a chance to try to fire an mgc round in the Han San model soon then I will, but it will probably be a few weeks away before I can, but the definately fit and cycle without a problem.

I can say that at least the rounds are damn easy to load. I know that some people prefer the Tanaka rounds, but I myself have had problems with these, and much prefer the real look/mgc rounds for ease of use. The Han San cartridges are similar to these except the bits seem to go in backwards, probably similar to the Marushin ppk/s (which by the way is not James Bonds gun anymore, he uses a P99 ). The piston with the little o ring sits in the base of the round (acting as the primer) and then you load a metal ring into the top part, followed by the 7mm cap, facing towards you. Screw the two parts together and away you go. Nice and easy. Nice and quick. No mess.

Post by Mark

I may just have to buy one of these Wa Shan replicas just to see first hand what the quality is truly like. The all zinc Glock sure sounds funny as it is a totally backwards step as the Glock is known for it's polymer grip frame..(actually, H&K made and marketed the first polymer framed handgun, the VP70)

The Government .45 appeals to me as i have always wanted an all zinc cap firing 1911 modelgun and the cartridges/caps situation doesn't scare me either as i will adapt other cartridges to it to increase the amount of available cartridges for it..
_________________
Wanted to buy: MGC Sten MK3....trades?(still)

MGC MP40 Marushin MP40 Nakata MP40 TRC MP40

Modelgun manufacturers, past and present:CMC,CAW,Hudson,HWS,LS,MGC(R.I.P. 1960's~2007) Marushin,Marui,Kokusai,Shoei,Tanaka and Western Arms

Post by Spencerman

Yes, my 1911 has a plastic barrel, but it took me a little while to realise! The M9 is a heavier gun than the 1911, and of course it does also have that full auto option. However, the 1911 has the correct markings on the gun. I think that it really does come down to what you would prefer. I do not have any other .45s so I could not say about the rounds, whether others would fit or not, though they do look very similar to the ones that were supplied by MGC (I think) with the little stubby silver base, and the big brass coloured top, so whether these would fit?

The all metal Glock is a little wierd, but it does also give it a good solid heavy feel to it, and is in fact one of my favourites, although I know it is so wrong (just like chocolate) , but I like it anyway.

Post by Spencerman

The disposable cartridges are great. If someone knew where to get them I would buy them by the hundreds. Out of interest John, which website were they from? You didnt say. They dont sell the cartridges do they?

Post by Spencerman

Maybe someone could shed a little more light on these. I have been looking around for various websites for a while now, and have noticed verious different names for these guns, as can clearly be seen from the forum. Different makers names on the boxes, on the guns etc. One of my guns is clearly stamped Han San Toys ltd. The box in the picture on the last page for the caps is printed Hwa San Toys ltd. Others have them listed as Wa Shan and so forth.

Anyway, I was donig some nosing and found this, but I cannot speak Japanese and do not understand a word further than this:

YUN TAI PLAYING CO. Country Code, TW. E-Mail(1), u123@ms7.hinet.net. E-Mail(2). Website1, http://www.itactrade.org/vender/86584756 ...
www.trade-taiwan.org/to_buy/show_ vender_e.asp?v_id=86584756&t_seq=49882 - 7k -

Maybe someone could check it out? From what I can gather Hwa San Toys ltd. is the former trading name for this company. I could be wrong however, it may be nothing, but if it is a link to the manufacturers then that would probably be very helpful.

Post by Claymore

This site http://www.airsoftmadness.com/ has been discussed before on this forum they are very expensive but they say they can get as many of the reusable rounds as you want, they did not give me a price though but expect it to be high. However if this is the only place we can get them from then we dont have a lot of choice and they do ship worldwide.

After seeing the pics John has posted i really want to get one of these and try them, wel more than one as i would like the 45, USP and the M9 as a full auto metal handgun sounds great. so i will probably bite the bullet soon and pick up at least one of these.

Post by reemo

Hi Guys

A little late to this discussion - however

Tokyo Model Company is one of the best kept secrets in the hobby.

They are EXCELLENT to deal with - excellent english, immediate response - no delays in shipping.

I have placed more than 25 orders with them over the years.

Only one time did I receive the wrong item, and they let me keep it and sent me the corerct one at their expense - it was only a 15.00 item, but no other airsoft retailer had ever done that for me.

GREAT people to deal with. Just my 2 bits.
_________________
"This is your life......and its ending one minute at a time."

Post by Claymore

I think you might find that the new type marushin 9mm rounds will funtion fine in theese models, so no probs with getting more rounds.
I am experimenting at the moment so will let you know

Post by Claymore

I have the M9, so full auto as well as semi. The gun is a lot better than i expected, i really thought it would look cheap and nasty but it does not. The finish on it is very good and it makes a great sound when you wrack the slide.
I tried the old marushin rounds first but the detonator is to short to set the round off however the style seem to work OK, i only fired one round but it functioned great. I hope to get more time this week to put a few more rounds through it.
I am definatly going to get a couple more of these models before time runs out.
This one has a metal barrel as well, only thing i cant find how you remove the detontor pin in this one, maybe in the metal barrel they dont come out.

Post by chameloon

Here are some pics of the wa-Shan m9

Post by Claymore

These models are a lot better than you would think, i was very happily suprised when mine turned up and i will most certainly will be buying another model.
I have not fired mine yet but will soon ,well put a couple of rounds through to test different makes of rounds (i think the new style marushin 9mm rounds will work fine) once i have got it firing right i will post a review, if i am not beaten to it.

Post by Claymore

Just tried MGC sig 220 rounds in the wa shan berreta and they work great, feed eject no probs, i had problems with the gun going full auto as well (when it was is semi mode) no probs yet with the 220 rounds, no conversion needed either.
So if getting rounds was the only thinking stopping you getting one of these models dont let it sig 220 work great, they seem to be an all round round, several of my models have been converted to this round and all work great usually a big improvement of the original rounds they fire.

Post by Mark

LDR, the WaShan modelguns are illegal in Japan due to their all metal costruction as well as their all black finish and finally, since they don't originate from Japan they certainally don't (or can't) pass the Japanese sword/firearms law. The WaShan's are (or where) made in Taiwan and there should not be any problems importing them.

INTERCEPTOR, the WaShans caps diameter appears to be 5mm on their smaller modelguns and 7mm on their larger models. So, i don't think that there would be a problem to use either MGC or Marushin caps in them.

Claymore, The 220 SIG rounds are great however they can be hard to locate in quantitys. Its nice that you have had luck using them in the WaShans as i am not sure what the detonator looks like it in fact, might be slightly too long as it goes full auto in the semi position as the tip of the detonator is igniting the cap too early when it chambers. I have seen several videos of many modelguns that have been converted to use the 220 cartridge and they seem to work really good. I have only a few 220 rounds here so, i haven't converted any modelguns to use them. Eventhough, i have a detonator for my MGC MP40 which i should at least try some day in between jobs..
_________________
Wanted to buy: MGC Sten MK3....trades?(still)

MGC MP40 Marushin MP40 Nakata MP40 TRC MP40

Modelgun manufacturers, past and present:CMC,CAW,Hudson,HWS,LS,MGC(R.I.P. 1960's~2007) Marushin,Marui,Kokusai,Shoei,Tanaka and Western Arms

Post by Claymore

The 220 rounds are easy enough for me to get and they work great in the uzi the sten the nakata mp40 and i hope the marushin abs mp40 (will know in a few weeks).
The barrel is are metal on the model i have and the barrel pin is part of the gun so cannot be removed. Full auto happened on the supplied rounds with the 220 rounds it works fine in semi

Post by Spencerman

Right then, I am now armed with a new camera, and whereas I am still not very good when it comes to taking pictures, I am getting much much better after having taken a few thousand pictures with it now. So, I decided that I would take a couple of pictures of my Wa Shan Glock and 1911, not for any specific reason, simply because I wanted to. I shall take some better ones with more artistic backgrounds etc. but I am working up to that.

Here are the ones of my Glock. I have two of these, I really like them, not sure why, but I just do. It is probably down to the all metal construction thing, nice and heavy, solid, metal touchy feely thing.








The next three are of my 1911. I really hate it every time I want to get a new model gun, as this is one model that I always want to get more of, so I am torn between a new different model gun, or a new Wa Shan 1911. It is uber reliable when it comes to firing, I have had virtually no stoppages with this gun (only twice that I recall) compared to so many with my others. It is probably down to me loading the rounds incorrectly, but it really does fire well.








Now, on a slightly different note, I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction, if I wanted to colour the slide markings on a metal framed gun such as the Wa Shan models, what would be the best paints to use and how to apply them? The two colours that would be required are white, for fire mode selectors and sights markings (and maybe some people use white on the engravings), and red, for safety/live selector swtch, chamber loaded indicator and sights markings.
_________________

Post by Spencerman



Glock 17








1911






_________________

Post by Spencerman

I would also just like to point out that my guns are not rusty. In some places you can see what may look like rust, or nasty wear areas. Some of the components in these guns are made from a bronze coloured material, that shows up more in the photos. I also keep my guns well maintained and oiled up regularly, even if they do not see any use. So, in some of the pictures what may look like a rusty part, is probably just the light showing up the colour of the metal, or reflecting off the oil.
_________________