Oct. 1st is looking... So what are you going to Buy???

Don't worry Rich mate, I'm not She cost me a damn sight more than my model guns ever did

Seriously though, there is an awful lot of money tied up in collections and all the extras that go with them, spare parts, consumables etc etc.

I certainly would be devastated to lose them. Even if the Authorities offered a compensation payment in exchange for them in a similar way as they did when they banned certain types of real Auto and Semi firearms.
Sure there may be some recompense but I'd rather keep my toys really!

It's been said time and time again, it's the Real guns used by criminals and idiots that cause the problems, not us!

Cerwyn
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Post by MadMike

Women ... Not heard of a single gun or modelgun that has left his owner in a really bad situation ...

Regarding checking by customs a friend of mine in the UK has ordered an Airsoft rifle from DENtrinity, and this time customs checked it, for the first time! Maybe this has to do with the VCR Act?
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Post by Ozguns



Well you all probably know that we've got some pretty tough laws going on down here too. Basically, you can't import any model guns, incl airsoft. ( we call 'em BB Guns here)
So having said that, I received a parcel fom the US yesterday, containing some car magazines. Customs intercepted it, and seized a BB Gun, which I had no idea was coming with it.
So what I'm saying is, I guess that X rays will pick up ABS or plastic shapes amongst property.

Your Customs officers must be pretty vigilant over there!
I sincerely hope you won't find yourself in any trouble with the Law over this but, just so we know what could happen here in the UK, what happens next?
Clearly they sieze the bb gun and you won't get it
Will you be charged and / or prosecuted for attempting to import?

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Post by Ozguns

Inside the package was a letter which customs had left, with a contact number incase I wanted to query the seizure......so I did.
I basically told them that I had no idea that a BB gun was going to be sent with the magazines, and they said that there was no harm done, as many people from around the world are not aware of our laws. He told me this happens many times a day, and they are really only interested in those who try to bring them in regularly, or in big numbers.
They will now be sending me a form, so I can OK destruction in 120 days time. This is a regular form for all seizures, and it is in case people want to try to go through the process of reclaiming their goods. In my case, bye bye BB gun.
So I told the Customs guy to have fun with it before it gets destroyed.

Post by Mark



Even here in the U.S. it can be a gamble to import modelguns as I had one of my modelguns confiscated by U.S. customs as it had "protected trademarks" as well as no orange barrel markings. I noted that since the package was shipped via UPS it had been X-rayed and thoroughly searched by customs. All of my other packages from Japan or HongKong that where shipped via Speed Post or USPS where not inspected? Is there some collusion going on there with UPS and certain countries customs? I don't know but, it's worth looking into!
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Post by Phobus

mark wrote:

Ozguns wrote:

Well you all probably know that we've got some pretty tough laws going on down here too. Basically, you can't import any model guns, incl airsoft. ( we call 'em BB Guns here)
So having said that, I received a parcel from the US yesterday, containing some car magazines. Customs intercepted it, and seized a BB Gun, which I had no idea was coming with it.
So what I'm saying is, I guess that X rays will pick up ABS or plastic shapes amongst property.

Even here in the U.S. it can be a gamble to import modelguns as I had one of my modelguns confiscated by U.S. customs as it had "protected trademarks" as well as no orange barrel markings. I noted that since the package was shipped via UPS it had been X-rayed and thoroughly searched by customs. All of my other packages from Japan or HongKong that where shipped via Speed Post or USPS where not inspected? Is there some collusion going on there with UPS and certain countries customs? I don't know but, it's worth looking into!

UPS = Usually Poor Service .
I avoid them at all costs .
Just received my Wa Shan M9 Silver from Guns n guys via Speedpost - they put a $50 value on it and toy parts on the box .
It took 3 days and was delivered to local p.o. ( was on holiday ) with no FEES HURRAY !!
...and what a very nice model as well , not shot it yet , have some extra carts on the way from Francky . Not as heavy / solid as my Bruuni 8mm Beretta , but still very nice in silver with a realistic steel like effect on the slide . Shame about the trades though .
OK , maybe one criticism . The muzzle is immense . Very thin and unrealistic metal with poorly executed fake " rifling " but straight through barrel - looks about 50 AE in size !!!!

carl.

Post by ljerr2

I have had packages via EMS inspected on numerous occasions. Fortunately, the models were all legally marked and I have never lost anything to confiscation by customs. However, they are not gentle when inspecting the packages. One package ended up missing pieces and on another occasion, the items had scratches from being thrown back into the packaging with no care.

I don't know the inspection process, but it must be somewhat random.

Post by Ozguns

Well, I've seen on TV here, that all oversea parcels go through the scanner.
I don't think too much will get past them.
So, don't send me anything guys!!

Maybe a Christmas card.....

Post by Doc

Well with regard to importing to the UK , I`ve had things looked at and poked about with, however after OCT 1st they are going to be particularly on the lookout for stuff so they can use it as a deterrent .
My fear then is that the onus will be on you to prove that all the other models you own were purchased well before the law was enacted ... this isnt going to be as easy unless you have receipts etc.
What`s to stop them confiscating all your models until you prove what was purchased legally well before OCT 1st .... if I was cynical I would say this would be an easy way to get max publicity and a good way to remove these things without paying compensation etc.

I`ll point out that I had a run in with UK customs a while back and they wanted something classed as Sec 5 , they said (and I have the letter) "we believe this is a section 5 weapon and if you let us confiscate this item we will take this case no further " .......


Just as well I know quite a lot about certain things and threw lots of details at them as well legal info and they let my item go ...just think if I`d "bottled it " , one of those sods would most likely have kept it for himself .

DOC
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Post by Spencerman

With regaurds to the Wa Shan, I agree that the main thing I hate about the M9 is that really thin barrel. The Glock and the 1911 that I have don not have these, and the Glock barrel is rather nice and fat, but here is what I did to prevent this from spoiling my model. Now, I am sure that the end result will have mixed reactions:





I had a rather nice chap make me a barrel insert, as you can see. I decided not to blue it in the end, as I rather liked the end result, and as my photography skills are pretty poor, the barrel insert does look rather more silver in the pictures than it does in reality. The main thing is that I am over the moon with it. I have no fake rifling, but the details that this metalworker managed to get , such as the slight chamfer into the inside of the barrel were far better than I had expected. The only negative point that I will mention, is that the extra weight that the insert gives the barrel, which I like, and the extra thickness which it gives the barrel, which was the main thing that I wanted, stop the barrel from making that rather nice chink sound that it makes as it rocks back when you cock the gun, now it is a much duller sound, which is a shame, but you cannot have it both ways. For obvious reasons I cannot say who did the mod for me on an open forum, as although there is no alternative reason other than to make the end look fatter, I know how dodgy things like modifying a berrel could be in the eyes of your local not so jolly fat policeman.
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Reply by MT01


Nice pics Spencerman

I think you made the right choice in keeping it silver. Blueing it would only have looked ok if you could have managed to get exactly the same shade/hue/finish as the barrel. I guess though as its an insert you could actually have one blued and one silver anyway?

As for the original theme of this post, my dream purchase before 1st october has to definitely be............ a good old MGC sterling - if only they weren't so darn rare and expensive.

Post by Ozguns

Further to my previous posts, I just got a 6 page letter from Customs.
It basically states the laws, and that I did not have a permit.
It says that I have 30 days to make a claim, and 120 days to produce a permit. But further along, it says that any form of gun...blah blah..... is not allowed.
It also says, that Customs recognise that I might have been unaware of the legislation, and I would not be prosecuted, however, a copy of the correspondence will be kept on file, and if I am suspect in the future of any breaches, then Customs reserve the right to reconsider.
The funny thing about all this is that the letter states that I "imported" a prohibited BB Gun, yet I knew nothing about it, as it was sent to me from the US with some car magazines. True.
Imported, what a joke!!

Post by Doc

Nice Mod Spence , only question ... is it steel ? once fired will it discolour and corrode with those nasty modelgun gases ?

DOC
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Post by Dartec

Looking through my gun mart I was wondering how does VCR bill effect the CO2 guns. Those that are modeled on real steel such as the P99, PPK and even the Berret CX-4 Storm look-a-like from Crossman & Berretta themselves?
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Would they be classed as "Air Pistols / Rifles"?

I don't know if "Air guns" are also affected but Airsoft guns definately are so my guess is that the VCRA will probably affect sales of these too.

The only defence against the VCRA allowing purchases for Airsoft is to register as a signed up skirmisher. That would allow you to buy Co2 pistols firing BB's but I don't know about lead pellets and slugs.

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Post by Phobus (Sept 28,2007)



Not long to go now lads .

Did you all get everything you wanted before the door slams shut ??

No , me neither

Its a bastard is,nt it ??

Carl.
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Post by richard jones



Nope,couldnt now(or ever)afford everything i wanted so will have to make do with what i already have

Labour wankers

Well Carl my old mate, if nothing else now we can spend our winter evenings fettling and tweaking our collection of modelguns in an attempt to get them all working exactly as they should

I've cupboards full of them now, seveal need tweaking, tuning, a miracle to get them firing in Full Auto without jamming, stopping, breaking etc etc

Just think, we've topped up our armouries with guns that we know will need work, so now we've time to sort them out.

First one to get the Marushin XM177E2 firing Full Auto consistently fr a whole mag'... 2 mags even better gets a Prize!

Cerwyn
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Post by Mark

Tis a sad day fast approaching for modelguns in the UK. I certainally hope that you gentlemen have imported all of your favorite modelguns on the last few weeks..It's too late now for most of you I am afraid as I doubt that they will arrive before the ban will come into effect. I fear for the day that some disgusting law like this is enacted here in the U.S. (they all ready tried in 1987) Sad, morally-corrupt anti-gun utopian's they really have no clue...

Cerywn,

You definitely have a point there about tuning the modelguns that you have. I find myself always attempting to obtain more instead of "tweaking" the models that I currently have.
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Post by 8ace

I think I got most things.
AK47, Garand, UZI, Colt .45 and M16
It's not the police or customs I’m afraid of........ It’s my credit card company
As Cerywn said

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cupboards full of them now, several need tweaking, tuning

and mine will keep me going for some time as I’d like to get the UZI, AK (non SE) and M16 firing well (you had better get the prize cup down to the engravers Cerwyn and have them put my name on it as I have a cunning plan for the M16.... and yes it is as cunning as a fox)

Post by Phobus



Blimey 8ace ,

I thought my Franklin Mint .45 was impressive until I saw your hobby fix . Now why did you have to go and shatter my illusions like that ??

Did you get that from Francky ? Was looking at these models on his shop website , and I remember feeling like I wanted to get the plastic out , what are we talking 3 - £400 ??

Worth every penny . The workmanship looks unlike anything I have seen before , inert or cap firer it is still awesome . I quite like the look of the mini Nambu on Franckys as well : the one in silver ? Very nice .

Regards .

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Post by 8ace

Cheers,

It is a very very nice modelgun. It was a bit of a panic buy, I had been looking at it on franckys website for some time and thought "Ah what the hell" if I don’t do it now I never can. The price was $498 which I thought was a bargain and the only negative is that it's not cap firing but it does make it up in every other department

8ace

Post by Phobus

Definately a bargain at under $500 .

I too had been looking at it for some time . I wish I had gone for it now , plenty of time for regret now ...

My .45 also seems to be none cap firing .

It does have the det pin in place which would suggest otherwise , and also it chambers and ejects rds ( thanks Cerwyn ) which is , just about , good enough for me .

I think it was John who suggested that these do , in fact , fire caps but no blowback . If so I must have the wrong carts because placing caps in the nose of the cart produces no BANG when the hammer drops .

I still love it though , and now I have time on my hands not scanning around for guns I can spend some time getting some nice pics up .

Carl.
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