Hudson M60 GPMG Modelgun

Post by Jim

I found this article as I flicked through my pile of GUN magazine collection for more materials on my ongoing recollection (I don't want to drag too long too but I've to stay in China working since yesterday & only can go back to HK home Saturday evening - I'll try to finish the story Sunday morning if possible):



This isn't new - I found it on the Dec 2004 issue of Japan's GUN magazine:









Together with the MP5A5 planned in mid-1990s - this is another false hope from Hudson.

Post by Doc

Now how awesome would that have been !

Id love to know how far this prototype went , Im presuming as Hudson have not released this that there were issues with function .

nice article though Jim

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Post by richard jones

Hooooooooooooooooooly Crap

Post by Mark

WOW! I wonder where this prototype is now..Hudson would have definitely sold all of these that they could make working or not!

The complexities of making a modelgun version of any belt fed machinegun would be very time consuming to develop and expensive.
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Post by Pydracor



I agree, I never expected any modelgun manufacturer to even think about making a beltfed machinegun... and if this prototype works as "well" as Hudson's AKs, it's small wonder, that it has never been released.
But who cares, a M60 in Hudson's build quality would be absolutely awesome, no matter how it performs!
Maybe this prototype shows up on yahoo japan some day

Post by richard jones

I would love a Metal M60 replica if it worked or not

Post by 2sharp

Oh wow, that's quite impressive!

...and very interesting! Wonder if they ever made that prototype work properly???

Even though the M60 isn't the most reliable and durable machine gun it definitely has the looks

I would definitely buy a dummy one! But it'd probably cost an arm and a leg...

Thanks for sharing jim!
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Post by 8ace

Very Very nice indeed

Shame the bolt face wouldn't last till the end of the belt.

Post by Spencerman


It probably would, as being a Hudson you could never fire it past the first round or two anyway!
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Oh my God, I've gone weak at the knees....

We were only talking about model Browning M1919s yesterday and now this!

If only...!

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Post by Mark


Now, could you imagine loading the cartridges, the belt and affording to pay for it all? I know that i would have to have at least 100 or so of the links and at least 150 of the cartridges for this beast. I was thinking that Hudson could have hidden a small electric motor and a gearbox to operate the bolt in the receiver. That way, it would feed cartridges and operate with out (too many) stoppages. Alas, we will never see this from Hudson, i am afraid.
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Post by Spencerman

Do you know how much it would have been? Also, is there an advert for the MP5?
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Now, could you imagine loading the cartridges, the belt and affording to pay for it all? I know that i would have to have at least 100 or so of the links and at least 150 of the cartridges for this beast. I was thinking that Hudson could have hidden a small electric motor and a gearbox to operate the bolt in the receiver. That way, it would feed cartridges and operate with out (too many) stoppages. Alas, we will never see this from Hudson, i am afraid.

Oh Yes, nooooo problem, Carol would love to load them ALL up and wouldn't dream of complaining about cleaning up afterwards :?
Something as fabulous as this would be worth sacrficing the realism of the internals though wouldn't it? If it meant using an electric or even air powered motor to drive it reliably enough to fire well?
Maybe a canvas type belt would be easier than the links as it wouldtake less work to assemble the belt ?
Cerwyn

Post by figaro

That is an awesome brochure, what a shame it never went commercial.
I would have really enjoyed seeing how they made it tick, the M60 is probably the most foolishly complex and inefficient of all the "modern" GPMG's. Talk to anyone that ever had to use one in anything but a sanitized environment, but kudos to Hudson for trying it on.
The first issue I see with a modelgun version is the metallic/disintergrating links, is that they would have to be so loose, the rounds would drop out of the links.
But it would be fun to see this one work.
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Post by Jim

Many possible reasons behind the cancellation of this production plan:

1) Cost - as I mentioned earlier, if it can cost up to JPY 200,000 just for making a ABS plastic MP5A5 then how expensive this one (I assumed Hudson would build it with zinc alloy) would be - it's pointless to make it with ABS isn't it?

2) Firing performance - basically anything zinc from Hudson is great display item only...maybe they can market it as the US/Canadian civilian version.

3) Staff changes - it is also quite likely that the designers/engineers responsible for this project left Hudson so they squashed the entire plan - many modelgun makers such as Hudson and KSC only have a tiny factory with several workers to work for (without mentioning Shoei - you can count it all in one hand) so once the key person's gone it's gone - nobody can follow up unlike other organised groups such as Marui & WA. The same also goes for resources...

One typical example of man-oriented factory - when Hudson hired someone specialised in making precision air pistols 2 years ago they immediately turned their attention away from modelguns for a while...

Unfortunately from what I've learnt there isn't any ad for the MP5...it'll be a gem if I found it!

However...I won't mind Hudson making these as dummies because I won't fire my guns anyway...