What do you think about the KSC M93r??

Hello guys,

Yes It is possible that I buy one, the KSC Proto version.
So if someone has one, can he tell me some informations?
Is it a good model gun or I would better buy another model gun??

Thank you guys.



PS : I think there is only 5 cartridges with it, what kind of cartridge is it??KSC 9mm luger?

It is excellent model :-) It works very good and provides lot of fun with single and automatic fire.
Yes, KSC 9mm cartridges.

Among the models I have this is one of my favourites.

Ok thanks Smootik, It is possible I order one soon .
I will do a review when it will be mine.

Anyway I am going to prepare a new review about a colt SAA by HWS.

To be continued.

Check this review:
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t112-1st-gen-93r

Here's a quick review from me:

Model comes in a cardboard box, with a detailed manual printed on quality paper.
Underneath you should find model, long magazine, and cartridges (KSC 9mm Luger).
Pistol is made of black, matte HW material (there was also ABS version), with rosewood grips. It is fairly heavy, even without magazine and cartridges.

Shape is very characteristic, barrel sticking out front, with vents, open slide (like other Berettas) and folded handle. Right side only has push button to unlock disassembly lever. Slide is marked on both and left side. Magazine is long, it sticks out from the botom quite a bit. Sights are classic, black, without any dots or other help.

Left side has levers: disassembly lever, slide lock, firing mode (single and triple), magazine release and a small safety lever. There is also a folded handle in front of enlarged trigger guard (room for one finger in front of trigger), that is used to hold pistol with second hand when firing triple shots. All levers are metal, just like hammer.

Grip is quite fat, I find it a bit difficult to hold comfortably. Below grip you will find a loop for leash, as well as space for attaching a folding stock (extra paid).

Shooting follows normal process - load cartridges, put them in magazine, rack the slide, select firing mode (single =up, triple =down), put safety off (up direction, so you can see red dot) and start firing :-) Empty cartridges fly to the right.
It seems you can put model in full auto mode by placing lever in middle position between single and triple, but I have not tried it.

Barrel is plastic, open (pass-through), with a vertical metal insert.

The only problem so far I had is that magazine is loosing oxidation. I'm not sure if this is rust, or action of cap residue. This seems to continue despite cleaning.
Other people report that firing pin gets damaged easily:
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t157-ksc-beretta-m93r-firing-pin


Check these threads for some more info from other members:
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t1514-ksc-beretta-93r
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t510-full-auto-on-beretta-m93r
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t28-ksc-m93r-beretta

Hello,

Well, thanks to you Smootik, we can call your last post "a really big help".
So I'm glad to have a review only for me

Ok this 93r looks like a good model gun. Just, is it easy to clean this model gun??For me, it's really important.
At this moment, I'am quite lost about what buy. I hesitate between , xm177e2(kit), Tanaka python, Wa shan glock 17, marushin colt 45 (kit), Caw colt 51 navy. I have to make choice, or buy all

Anyway, thank you and see you very soon .

Momocampo wrote:

Well, thanks to you Smootik, we can call your last post "a really big help".
So I'm glad to have a review only for me

Ravi de pouvoir aider :-)

Disassembly is fairly easy for a modelgun.

Lock slide back, check that chamber is empty and remove magazine.
On the right side push disassembly button, keep it pressed quite deep. On the left side turn disassembly lever down. It tries to go back (spring), but when it's fully down it will stay this way. Slide should just go off frame to the front.

Note how return rod/spring are placed on barrel near chamber, then lift them out and remove. Spring is fairly weak, so this is much easier than in, say, Tanio Koba GM-7. Slide barrel a bit to align, then tilt chamber area away from slide, and pull it out.

Under barrel there is a hole with grub screw. Remove it a bit (not all the way), this should allow detonator pin to be removed. I am unsure how much you should unscrew it, because it moves in a soft plastic, and it can easily get striped. At least mine did, it now rotates quite freely instead of staying in place :-/ I find that my detonator pin is always stuck, so I use a long thin piece of wood (actually a bamboo chopstick split in half) to gently push it out from the front side of the barrel.

Now clean barrel with usual methods (water, cotton tips...), and dry it carefully. Leftover water will cause corrosion later on steel insert (looks very ugly through barrel vent holes) and pin itself. Clean detonator pin as well (ultrasonic cleaner, soft cloth...). If it is still dirty, use Cif/Jif and rub it on pin. Extreme method (say, if you forgot to dry everything and put model in storage for a year) would be Dremel tool with soft metal brush to remove rust.

Slide needs to be cleaned around breech block area, where firing pin will hit cartridge. Breech block and firing pin are plastic, and small dust/dirt can jam firing pin, causing mis-fire. Push firing pin from the back to make sure it works smoothly.

Magazine also needs to be cleaned (and oiled). It's metal, and at least on mine the black surface deteriorates, probably due to cap residue that doesn't get cleaned 100%.

Also wipe chamber area of frame and slide, as there might be invisible cap deposits that only later turn white/gray/reddish and can damage or jam model.

Assembly follows the same procedure, although I often have a problem putting slide back on frame. Return spring/rod do not seem to align correctly and prevent slide from going back all the way. This requires quite a lot of wiggling and repositioning to get solved. No force, of course. You may not have this problem, or find a better way to handle this ;-)


Now for the choice - start making a "wanted" list with priorities, then probably just buy all, this hobby is addicrive ;-)
If I were hesitating, I would probably use these priorities:
1) KSC M93R (pure fun)
2) WaShan G17 (metal, heavy, very satisfying for model, though not sure about firing)
3) Marushin XM177 kit (I haven't got one yet as I'm afraid of assembly, but I do want one)
4) CAW Colt 51 (it's a beauty, I'm still sorry I did not get one a few years ago)

Colt 1911 kit could be a very high position (it's a classic!), or very low position (I already have a few 1911s). Can't quite comment on Python, as revolvers are not that much my thing.

Hope this helps, even if it's very subjective

Whhaaahh, hey Smootik you have forgotten the photos !! lol
I think it's just a perfect description of what to do,thanks.

About my next model gun, it's helpful to have your favorite list. Yes at this moment, I change my choice each day !
I have to think about it...
I think about the wa shan m9 because it is full metal but first I have a Marushin M9 and second, I am not sure about firing, I prefer a HW plastic which works weel than a full metal which not firing.
So, think, think, think and make a good choice.

Momocampo wrote:

Whhaaahh, hey Smootik you have forgotten the photos !! lol

Some people you just can't please ;-)

Disclaimer: posting a review just-in-time here is an exception, not a rule ;-)

Magazine and cartridges.

Disassembly (without removing detonator pin though).

Manual.
Sorry for misaligned pictures, I just did them very quick this time.


















And finally a mysterious tag which was on the model.

Ok I'am definitively sure you are really a crazy man Smootik !!!
I think you understood but when I have ask some photos, it was a joke.
Anyway, I am happy to have a review just asking. Great.

You're right, it's quite strange the thing on your magazine

Thank again Smootik !

PS: Yes Smootik, you have not aligned pictures so I can't read anything!! I understand nothing !!lol lol.

Momocampo wrote:

Ok I'am definitively sure you are really a crazy man Smootik !!!

That was supposed to be a secret... ;-)

I thought it will be more fun to convert joke to reality, especially that beautiful sun just came out to give good light to pictures :-)

Just ask again if you are interested in something specific about this model.

Hey Smootik,

Well, well, you convinced me Smootik, I have ordered the M93r by KSC (proto version).
I hope do not regret it.
By the way, how many cartridges are in the box?? 5 as usual?

See you

I have now six cartridges + two extra boxes, so I think these six were originally with the model.

Ok thanks.

Well, I only have to wait my new model gun. A last thing, I have to take care of the firing pin, there is something special to do to avoid breaking firing pin?? Not to "dry-firing" but what does it means??

Dry fire means that you cock hammer and pull trigger, but there is no cartridge in the chamber. When hammer hits detonator pin, it flies forward. Normally pin would be stopped on cartridge, but without cartridge it does not stop and is stressed more than designed. That's why it breaks more easily.

Another superb Review, Strip Down procedure and Instruction Manual set from smootik... and in Record time too Thank you Smootik, excellent again as always

I also recently bought a KSC M93R, especially for firing fun. I have another, mint, HW, unfired model that I had been nervous of firing for fear of breakages, knowing how brittle HW can be.
I am really pleased with my firing model, it is superb.
KSC 9mm Luger cartridges are relatively inexpensive, plentiful and perform very well.

As smootik describes, reassembling the slide onto the frame can be awkward at times, it is also worth noting that great care should be taken if removing the grips, particularly the right side. Small springs have a tendency to fly out unoticed ... excercise caution.