Hello everybody!

Hello,

Just a little introduce for me, i'm french and i'm looking for informations about model gun. I have airsoft collection at this moment and i want to buy a model gun.
I have read some posts but i think i need more help, i hope you can do it for me.

I have many questions for you but i don't know how to begin.

I have see some models and just what do you think about this 2 models gun:
- TANAKA Glock 17 2nd Frame Model Gun (252 $ at Dentrinity)
- Marushin M9 Center Fire Heavy Weight Model Gun Kit (i know it's a kit but i think i can assemble it).

It is possible to find a model with metal slide or better full metal?

Thank you for your help and see you soon.

Bienvenue ici :-)

You should find a lot information here, bit by bit, no worry :-) Just ask.

Cap-firing models with metal slides are fairly rare. In many cases Japanese law prohibits using metal in modelguns, so there is fairly few options for metal: rifles (like Mauser 98k, Springfield 1903), submachine guns (MGC or Hudson Thompson, Marushin UZI, Hudson Skorpion), and just a few pistols, of which only Marushin M712 is still in production, I think. In the past there were other metal pistol models, like Beretta M1934.

Tanaka does not have the best opinion when it comes to durability. Their models are nicely made, but when you use them for firing, they tend to wear out or even break rather quickly.

Apart from Japan metal modelguns are manufactured in Taiwan by HwaSan, described here:
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t1974-washan-hwasan-yt-fs-toys-from-taiwan

They are not as easy to find and buy as the other ones, but they are fairly good - check out these reviews:
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t1595-hwa-san-glock-27-silver
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t1900-wa-shan-beretta-m84-full-metal

They make a model of Beretta M9 as well as Glock 17, so this is probalby your best option to have a metal cap-firing modelgun. I am not sure where you could get one, as modelguns-worldwide shop (who had a resell agreement) is closed. You could try DenTrinity, they used to sell M9 (but not G17). It is at the moment shown as "in stock" - search their website for "MPIS119".
http://www.dentrinityshop.com/

hello and welcome to the forums. As smootik says Tanaka models have a tendancy to break very easy when you fire them great as a replica but not so good to fire, marushin guns are very good and the m9 works well barrels are plastic so are a lot stronger than HW (heavy weight ABS). Wa Shan, well the glock is not great i have one and it does not fire well but i might just have a bad one the dolphin (m9) is great full metal semi and full auto and works great in both if you can get hold of one its a must have, that said its hard to get spare rounds for these most of us use MGC p220 rounds that work very well but they have become gold dust in recent months. Here is a link to hobby asia i have bought from them in the past for wa shan and they were very good i would email and ask if they have any in stock before buying on site but usually what they have pictured they have in stock but i would still check..

http://hobbyasia.com/products.php?sid=56&seriesID=213

Hello and welcome to the forum

There are full metal modelguns available. All the Japanese produced metal pistols and revolvers have blocked barrels (as required by Japanese law)
One advantage of HWABS or ABS models is that barrels are open so you see smoke venting through.

Have a good look at the Modelgun Reviews section here, as these are written by members and owners you'll be sure of a good honest report

You've clearly been looking around various dealers to see what's available, make sure you check:

www.modelguns-worldwide.com (based in France but temporarily closed)

http://www.plugfirecapgunsuk.com/ (UK based)

www.modelguncollector.co.uk (UK based, but cannot export unfortunately. His website's worth checking to see what is available though)

http://franckys-modelgun.com (Japan based but exports Worldwide)

Hopefully these dealers' sites will give you an idea what's available, our reviews will give honest opinions, and you'll be sure of plenty advice here too.
I hope you enjoy Modelguns as much as you have Airsoft. Modelguns replicate the real gun to the last detail, strip as the real gun and simulate firing. Once you start, you won't stop

Thank you very much for all yours advices!!
Honestly, it's very kind to you to answer me so quickly.

Claymore, thanks for the link to Hobby asia, i saw a good marushin M9 but what do you think about the "HAW SAN TOYS P-220 Dolphin"? Someone know it?

Otherwise, i think i have understand the most of the use of model gun but it's the cartridge, there are soo many different! And there is also the cap, how to know what the good one?

Anyway, i think i am going to begin by the black m9 by Marushin (it's not to expansive), it's a kit but i'm not too afraid about.
I wonder if this article is good for marushin m9?:
http://www.dentrinityshop.com/pr_list.jsp?cid=COL&bid=MGUNA&pg=10&rpp=10
(the second one : MGAC021 )

Thanks ans see you

Momocampo wrote:

Otherwise, i think i have understand the most of the use of model gun but it's the cartridge, there are soo many different! And there is also the cap, how to know what the good one?

Caps are available in two sizes: 5mm and 7mm. You need to know which size is used in your model - this is standard information that you find very easy, or ask here. Tanaka pistols use 5mm, while most other modelguns use 7mm.

All caps are made by same company (Kanecap), but sold in versions: "M.G. Cap" (extra power, less smoke/sparks) and "Plug Fire Cap" (more sparks and smoke). You can also find "Real Flame", I think they have even more sparks. It should not matter which cap is used in your model, they are practically the same. Sometimes "MG Cap" is preferred in heavy models (metal), but I'm not 100% sure of difference in power. In sparks - for sure, you will see :-)
Best to get one box of each and check yourself.

Each modelgun has it's own cartridge type. It has little to do with real gun caliber, rather with model manufacturer.

Normally you just need to say for which modelgun you need cartridge - seller, or someone here should be able to tell you which is ok. If you want read and learn about cartridges (and maybe get confused), check:
- "Guide to cartridge types"
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t2280-guide-to-cartridge-types-please-review
- "Definition of terms"
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t2458-explanation-of-terms-used-in-cartridge-information

and then check our Catridge Library:
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t2457-index-of-cartridges

Quote :

I wonder if this article is good for marushin m9?:
http://www.dentrinityshop.com/pr_list.jsp?cid=COL&bid=MGUNA&pg=10&rpp=10
(the second one : MGAC021 )

It looks like the correct one, but someone who actually has Marushin M9 should probably confirm

Yes, the cartridge listed as MGAC021 is the one intended for Marushin's 9mm M9

It's a good cartridge, load with 7mm M.G. Caps, Marushin 7mm Plug Fire Caps or the "Real Flame" type. Here's guide on correct loading:-

https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t1869-beginner-s-guide-loading-marushin-beretta-m9-cartridges

If you intend buying several boxes of caps, get them from Francky, his prices are really good and cover Air Mail charges from Japan making it worth ordering.

I have a Marushin USN M9 "Dolphin" made from HWABS material. If you're buying a kit, make sure all moulding flash is removed as parts need to be perfect to ensure good fit and that parts move without catching on anything.

The HawSan (previously WaShan also Y.T.Corp) M9 Dolphin is all metal (Zinc Alloy) performs really well using MGC P220 cartridges. Unfortunately the P220 is almost impossible to find now but some of the HawSan's will accept KSC 9mm Luger cartridges without modification. Other examples may need approx 1mm removing from the tip of the "bullet"

I own both, and would admit to favouring the HawSan. It fires really well especially in full Auto.
The Marushin, being HWABS, has broken its' firing block (new slide required) and its' barrel. It did need some parts cleaning up and reshaping to fit properly from new too.
When it's firing, it gives good sound, plenty of smoke and a little flash from the muzzle depending on caps used

Ok OK.Thanks.
So now i don't know what model gun buy? Wa shan M9 or Marushin M9??
With Wa shan, what cartridges are compatible? Wa shan don't sell his cartridge i suppose.
Cerwyn, you use what kind of?

ANother question about wa shan, the wa shan model gun are all full metal or not? Wa shan don't have website?

I have ask a quote to a shop for wa shan M9 but there is no information about material or weight, do you know if there are different model gun for the m9?

Ok i stop here, there are already enough questions.

Thank you again and see you

Hi,

Haw San, (Wa Shan, Y.T.Corp) are based in Taiwan. I have made a few attempts at buying direct from Taiwanese retailers but have failed each time. There are too many problems, one being Taiwan Customs restricting exports.
Better to buy ne from a Retailer in Europe or Hong Kong.

Haw San do produce cartridges for their modelguns, both re-useable and disposable single use types. As far as I know, the only European retailer offering disposable cartridges is www.modelguns-worldwide.com BUT he's been temporarily closed since April 2010.

I use MGC P220 cartridges in my own M9, they work perfectly without any modification. Unfortunately, supplies of the P220 cartridges ran out after MGC's closure last year. Finding supplies is difficult now. As mentioned previously, it is possible that KSC 9mm Luger cartridges can be used in the Haw San M9 without modification. It depends on the magazine, you may need to remove approx 1mm from the "bullet" tip to allow the cartridges to load into the magazine. KSC cartridges are plentiful at the moment.

Have a look at http://www.modelguns-worldwide.com/ytm9_silver.htm This page gives all the data and information you'll need about HawSan (or Y.T.Corp) Beretta M9s
The review here https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t323-wa-shan-m9-dolphin should help too.

Thanks a lot Cerwyn !

Ok it's maybe more interested to buy a Marushin M9, the cartridges are easier to find.

Well, anyway, i think i'm going to order a marushin m9 HW + 15 cartridges and i will order some caps after.

If i like, perhaps i will order another model gun.

Thanks for all.

Momocampo wrote:

So now i don't know what model gun buy? Wa shan M9 or Marushin M9??

Marushin: cheaper (180$), plastic, spare parts easier to get, fires caps pretty good, easier to break.
Wa Shan: dearer (260$), full metal, no spare parts, might have issues firing due to heavy slide, more resistant.

Wa Shan makes their models from metal, even grips are metal to increase weight. There was some talk however that due to law they stopped making metal barrels and use plastic ones now. I'm not sure what is currently for sale.

They do not have a website with list of models. Some basic facts about Wa Shan are here:
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t1974-washan-hwasan-yt-fs-toys-from-taiwan

DenTrinity usually provides quotes within a day or two. There might be delay due to Lunar New Year - holidays until end of this week.

I would say go with a Marushin as your first model - you will see for yourself and learn how modelguns behave in reality. Based on that experience you should know a bit more for next purchases

Ok let's go for the order!!!

I try Marushin M9 Center Fire Heavy Weight Model Gun Kit
with :
Marushin New Plug Fire System Cartridges For Marushin Beretta M92FS Series

I have ask a quote to Franckys website for caps 7mm (maruqhin and mgc) + a magazine for M9 + another 15 marushin cartridges (yes for the second magazine....).

I hope enjoy this material very soon

I will give you news when i'll have news.

See you soon.

Francky will take good care of you, his service is fantastic.

Let us know how you get on with the kit, and if there's anything you need to ask, pleae do so

We'll be glad to help you

The Wa Shan "official" website by the way (in Chinese only) - http://www.hawsan.com.tw/default.asp

Thanks Jim for the link but it's strange, in this website, i saw KSC,Marui,etc products???
They sell other brand??


Otherwise, i have now order my future and first model gun (marushin m92 kit)
I have order some spare cartridges and caps from Francky's website (Cerwyn you're right, he is very sympathic and ship the products in 2 days!!)

Francky ships orders out very, very quickly I'm glad to hear you've got your model coming.

We'll be interested to read your impressions once you receive it. Welcome to the world of Modelguns, be ready to spend lots of money on more of these superb models

Thanks

I think the manual for the kit is only in japenese, no??Yes i'm almost sure. No worry, i have already assemble and desassemble a lot of times my airsoft m92, i hope it's quite similar.
For the manual, i'll scan it and post it on this forum.

Someone can read the japenese and translate in english ??

Marushin MP40, UZI and MGC M16A1 are, as far as I know, the only manuals that were available in English.
All the rest will be Japanese

Fortunately, drawings and diagrams are so good and clear that assembly and strip-down of models is made relatively easy

If you get into difficulties, check out the English copy of Marushin's MP40 posted here, that will sometimes clarify certain aspects of your build.
Feel free to ask here obviously, any problems you encounter will have been faced and sorted by members here in the past.

Momocampo wrote:

Thanks Jim for the link but it's strange, in this website, i saw KSC,Marui,etc products???
They sell other brand??

You're welcome - This is basically the website for the Hwa San Shop and due to the sensitivity of their metal handguns (ran into the law many times - ideal for illegal conversions / partly responsible for the attempted assassination of former Taiwanese President) the shop needs to carry other brands as well otherwise they have to close their shop very often (without mentioning Hwa San products alone cannot make good business).

In general, no other local retailer willing to touch Hwa San's stuff so they have to set up their own...

Hi Momocampo

As you build your Marushin Beretta M92 kit, you may find this article useful...

In "Modelguns General Discussion", see thread "Transferred from Shiraaya's pages". Open this at page 8, scroll down to the 6th post.
This is a rough translation from Japanese to English giving very helpful tips and hints on kit building, problem solving and getting good firing performance from the Marushin M92 kit.

The translation is all done by "Google Translate" and is, therefore a literal translation which can be a little difficult to understand.
However, careful reading will start to make sense once you get used to the way sentences are written.

I hope you find this helpful

Thank you Cerwyn

Yes i saw this post and it will be helpful. I am waitin g for my kit, it comes with airmail method so it is not here yet.

The post is full of help but you're right, it's a translate and i'm french... That's why it's not really easy, another way, it's easier than japanese

A question for you,Cerwyn, you have wrote in your post about a model gun kit " make sure all moulding flash is removed", what do you mean ?

See you

Ok .
It's we call an explanation Thanks

Ok i understand very well. For the moment, i have paid since the 2th of february and i haven't news about Dentrinity (it's the place where i order), i think it's maybe the chinese lunar new year holidays, i hope so.

Otherwise, since i have discover the model gun, i fall in love of the CAW model gun, especially the Colt navy 51 and the Old model Army...Whouaah....

Anyway, i'm waiting for the Beretta and i will see after.

See you