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Dronne Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 215 Age : 58 Location / Country : France Paris Registration date : 2012-01-05
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:31 pm | |
| Hi, Thank you for encouragements. I gonna slow down a bit, i'm waiting for the autosol. I also wonder if electrolysis should work (it's purely theoretical) | |
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cosmitron Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 175 Age : 49 Location / Country : Germany Registration date : 2013-08-30
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:47 am | |
| Now come to think of it, I once stripped off the gold plating on one of my guitars bridge with a metal polishing compound and a dremel + polishing tool (while trying to make it shine... learned the hard way). I used the same technique to buff my Kokusai Python to mirror level. You may wanna do this to get rid of scratches. | |
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Momocampo Modelgun Master
Number of posts : 389 Age : 50 Location / Country : France Registration date : 2011-01-31
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:52 am | |
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Dronne Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 215 Age : 58 Location / Country : France Paris Registration date : 2012-01-05
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:37 am | |
| Hi, @ Momocampo, No chauvinism in the forum! It's unmannerly! @cosmitron, I gonna finish with the dremel too @JohnnyV, Momocampo did the same thing several times (i mean removing the golden plate) with talent. | |
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JohnnyV Modelgun Perfectionist
Number of posts : 552 Location / Country : Cambridgeshire UK Registration date : 2009-08-24
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:20 am | |
| Hi Dronne @JohnnyV, Momocampo did the same thing several times (i mean removing the golden plate) with talent.
I think as I said in the post everyone else only polished of the top layer of gold plating, (we have all done that:) BUT Never has on forum anyone ever removed all gold/nickel/copper before YOU ARE THE FIRST !!!!!! Please anyone correct me if I am wrong:) (it has been known) | |
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Dronne Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 215 Age : 58 Location / Country : France Paris Registration date : 2012-01-05
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:26 am | |
| Hi, All rigth! Well, i didn't specifically sought to do. Before that, i wasn't aware about all those layers. I guess that the blueing liquid may work faster if in direct contact with the zinc alloy. | |
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JohnnyV Modelgun Perfectionist
Number of posts : 552 Location / Country : Cambridgeshire UK Registration date : 2009-08-24
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:31 am | |
| Yes it will work much faster!!!! look on here for post regarding blueing zinc:)
As I said the problem has been hard to blue nickel plate!!
There may be a few problems for you as now I think some of gun will be zinc, some nickel.... But you can do it!! | |
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Dronne Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 215 Age : 58 Location / Country : France Paris Registration date : 2012-01-05
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:35 am | |
| Yes, but the result you got is really beautiful. I like the luxurious appearance of the finish. | |
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Momocampo Modelgun Master
Number of posts : 389 Age : 50 Location / Country : France Registration date : 2011-01-31
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:40 am | |
| Hi, Sorry but I don't see what Dronne have done different about his sand. I am maybe stupid but I don't see Can you explain Johhny please?? I don't want to critic the job of course, I hope Dronne will not be upset | |
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cosmitron Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 175 Age : 49 Location / Country : Germany Registration date : 2013-08-30
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:45 am | |
| From what I understand, Dronne not only stripped off the gold plating but also took off the nickel plating underneath while you Momocampo for instance, sanded off the gold plating to obtain that beautiful nickel finish on your revolvers. Stripping all the layers of plating to the bare material might help the bluing process. | |
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JohnnyV Modelgun Perfectionist
Number of posts : 552 Location / Country : Cambridgeshire UK Registration date : 2009-08-24
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:50 am | |
| Cosmitron has it !! Dronne It was 8ace not me who got the wonderful finish ! Still I do not know how:shock: BTW Checked the chemistry/physics and it appears you can strip plating off by reversing the electroplating process | |
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Momocampo Modelgun Master
Number of posts : 389 Age : 50 Location / Country : France Registration date : 2011-01-31
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:06 am | |
| Ok, understood ! Thanks cosmitron | |
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Dronne Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 215 Age : 58 Location / Country : France Paris Registration date : 2012-01-05
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:23 pm | |
| Here, you can see the remaining copper The copper can be blackened with the blueing liquid, but it does'nt resist to fingers contact, even after oiling | |
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Momocampo Modelgun Master
Number of posts : 389 Age : 50 Location / Country : France Registration date : 2011-01-31
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:30 pm | |
| thanks Dronne, I believed this "orange cloud" was a metal default. I already saw it when I sanded model gun. | |
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Dronne Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 215 Age : 58 Location / Country : France Paris Registration date : 2012-01-05
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:32 pm | |
| You're welcome, It's a primer layer, exactly like they use for the chrome. Iour ouailecome, C'est une couche d'apprêt, exactement comme pour le chrome.
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cosmitron Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 175 Age : 49 Location / Country : Germany Registration date : 2013-08-30
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:40 pm | |
| I just received my Goldie S&W revolver today. (Thanks JohnnyV). I wasn't it would be 100% N.O.S.* I'm still planning to do like you guys - cause it's still pretty bling-bling over the top -, but it will be heart breaking. *N.O.S.: New Old StockUpdate: Just rubbed off the main gold part of the S&W M29 with wet 3MP 3000 pad. Super easy, and leaves no scratches. Now I share a problem mentioned before by Dronne. Get rid of the gold plating on non-flat and very narrow areas. I used a toothbrush with toothpaste with little success. (works on some area like the grip part of the frame), I'll try some metal polish tomorrow and let you know how it works. It looks really nice so far, even with the gold cylinder & thumb piece (not 100% sure if I'll go as far as you 8ace and Dronne and might stop at the nickel look)
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cosmitron Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 175 Age : 49 Location / Country : Germany Registration date : 2013-08-30
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:41 pm | |
| Spent more time rubbing my beautiful piece of metal today, but I'm still concerned about how to remove the remaining gold plating without scratching my lovely gun. Looks like you guys figured it out. How did you make it? I was OK with the gold plating yesterday, but now I'm so close to the silver finish, I HATE it.
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JohnnyV Modelgun Perfectionist
Number of posts : 552 Location / Country : Cambridgeshire UK Registration date : 2009-08-24
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:50 pm | |
| Hi Autosol or "brasso" cotton buds and patience:) Nice job! | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11090 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:07 pm | |
| Solvol Autosol, toothbrush and soft rags soon removed gold plate from those awkward places. _________________ Cerwyn
Hobby collector of Replica model guns and Militaria. also member of Living History Reenactment Groups.
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Momocampo Modelgun Master
Number of posts : 389 Age : 50 Location / Country : France Registration date : 2011-01-31
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:18 pm | |
| Yes no others solutions, except courage and patience. "Allez mon pote, courage! Tu finiras par y arriver " | |
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Dronne Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 215 Age : 58 Location / Country : France Paris Registration date : 2012-01-05
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:29 pm | |
| Hi guys! Autosol rules! It works really fine, as Cerwyn said, with a toothbrush and soft rags. For the hollow, and narrow shapes it works also!!! Thank you for your advices! | |
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cosmitron Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 175 Age : 49 Location / Country : Germany Registration date : 2013-08-30
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:16 pm | |
| Thanks guys. Autosol: ordered. Dronne: Again, very inspiring. The parts look like jewelry. It is beautiful. | |
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cosmitron Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 175 Age : 49 Location / Country : Germany Registration date : 2013-08-30
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:12 pm | |
| Autosol: Received, used, approved. | |
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Dronne Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 215 Age : 58 Location / Country : France Paris Registration date : 2012-01-05
| Subject: IMPORTANT WARNING Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:06 pm | |
| IMPORTANT WARNING Don't remove the nickel plate!!!!! You can see that Birchwood liquid simply destroy the zinc alloy. The only parts that escaped of this disaster are the ones which kept the nickel plate. I'm really disappointed, i'll have to repolish almos all, and use another bluing liquid, the french one, seems less corrosive for the zinc alloy.
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JohnnyV Modelgun Perfectionist
Number of posts : 552 Location / Country : Cambridgeshire UK Registration date : 2009-08-24
| Subject: Re: Marushin Luger Bluing Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:01 pm | |
| As I said I suspected you may have problems:( But you can recover it, 1 ) persist and remove ALL the copper now you started, 2 ) use a diluted blueing solution, SHORT time in liquid, even time all parts. 3 ) when blued the zinc will look destroyed RELAX 4 ) use a fine buffing wheel with fine buffing compound, BUFF LIGHTLY 5 ) it will not look like 8aces, but will look like a real aged blued luger... It will be much better than you think I used same technique here : https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/t3643-marushin-saa-custom-bluedGood luck ! the harder the work, the greater the rewards | |
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