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JohnnyV Modelgun Perfectionist
Number of posts : 552 Location / Country : Cambridgeshire UK Registration date : 2009-08-24
| Subject: Question on modelgun surface finishes Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:21 pm | |
| Hi A quick question as an interested in peoples view. Over Christmas during some quiet time I was trying some new finishes, and it set me wondering what people REALLY like?.... a) a "brand new" look = standard matt Heavy weight finish b) a "used" but more "real" finish Its easy to make guesses, but i would like real opinions/views please, pristine new modelgun or custom look??? Below is one of the models (CAW .32 Auto) I was working on as an example, first two photos are straight out of the box, second two photos are after some elbow grease applied. Honest opinions please:) (sorry I know pics could be better, but they give the idea) | |
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Momocampo Modelgun Master
Number of posts : 389 Age : 50 Location / Country : France Registration date : 2011-01-31
| Subject: Re: Question on modelgun surface finishes Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:40 pm | |
| Hi Johnny, For me, it's the second the better. It's true the original ABS is always a little bit mat. I think there is a method to "blued" to look more "metal". Carom does this kind of product but I don't know how use it. | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11075 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Question on modelgun surface finishes Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:41 am | |
| Hi Johnny,A well done, slightly worn and used look can look 100% better than the completely flat matt black of HWABS. Finding the balance between Realistic and Overdone is the key. Your photos of the refinished Colt look just right An interesting article I read sometime ago about "weathering" and "ageing" replicas said that it's too easy to go too far. Several replicas of WW2 era were shown after being "aged". The author's point was that the guns looked 70 years old. His point being that for Re-enactment purposes certainly, replicas should look no more than 4-5 years old. Blued steel on Real guns is a tough durable finish so wouldn't wear down too much in a few short years use. Yet many are seen that look like antiques being used to Re-enact. _________________ Cerwyn
Hobby collector of Replica model guns and Militaria. also member of Living History Reenactment Groups.
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metradio Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 68 Location / Country : Slough, Berkshire, UK Registration date : 2008-09-11
| Subject: Re: Question on modelgun surface finishes Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:41 pm | |
| - Cerwyn wrote:
...replicas should look no more than 4-5 years old. Blued steel on Real guns is a tough durable finish so wouldn't wear down too much in a few short years use... Depends what period is being re-enacted, WWI and WWII small arms would typicaly only be 4-5 years old by the end of each war, but weapons used in Vietnam and Northern Ireland could be 20+ years old!! Also it would depend on the envirenment the weapon was used in, for instance a US M3 grease gun issued as part of a tank's equipment inventory might only have storage marks, as it would sit in a canvas holster for most of its life, yet a US M1 carbine used heavily by a Marine unit in the pacific might need refurbishment after only a few months. Not all firearms have a blued finish, phosphate finishes became popular during WWII and the UK went for a black high temp paint finish for their L1A1 SLR (elephant gun) rifle. Also non bullpup rifles issued to units that carried out a large proportion of ceremonial duties tended to get through rifle butplates at a rate of knots.. | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11075 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
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metradio Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 68 Location / Country : Slough, Berkshire, UK Registration date : 2008-09-11
| Subject: Re: Question on modelgun surface finishes Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:12 pm | |
| Humbrol do an enamel paint that looks like grey matt phosphate but is a bit too delicate if handled and goes a grey satin finish. The only solution to this that I can think of is to apply the paint, rub the high points to give a worn finish, then coat with a clear matt varnish to seal the finish.. Just had a thought, years ago I had to coat the insides of a few radio enclosures with electrically conductive spray paint, the finish looked like phosphate and was pretty hard wearing, I have not seen the stuff for years but am sure this is it: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/emi-or-rfi-shielding/7259987/ | |
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metradio Modelgun Enthusiast
Number of posts : 68 Location / Country : Slough, Berkshire, UK Registration date : 2008-09-11
| Subject: Re: Question on modelgun surface finishes Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:48 pm | |
| As an aside, if you have a 1:1 scale plastic kit of a .45 peacemaker or similar and want to make it into an aged wallhanger. Go to your local hardware store and buy a tube of GRATE POLISH, it should cost about 3 to 4UKP. Grate Polish is used to polish black wrought iron items, it looks like black shoe polish but when buffed it has a metalic polished steel finish. I have applied it just using my finger, after first removing non steel finish parts - wood grips etc. The polish comes with simple instructions on how to apply and to acheive a good finish. The down side of using it is that you cannot handle the gun very much after application or the finish comes off - on your hands ! The good side is you can experiment with the amount of polish applied, time left to dry and amount of elbow grease used to buff it up and as it is water soluble it can be washed off with warm soapy water. It is friendly when applied to plastics.. This is the stuff: http://www.starchsupplies.co.uk/hotspot-black-graphite-grate-polish.html | |
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Cerwyn Cerwyn (Site Admin)
Number of posts : 11075 Age : 65 Location / Country : North Wales Registration date : 2008-07-20
| Subject: Re: Question on modelgun surface finishes Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:04 am | |
| Zebo Grate Polish is something I used a lot of on motorcycle exhaust systems to good effect. The pipes were painted with heat resistant matt black first then polished up with Zebo. It does buff up to a nice metalic black. I like the idea of using it on matt black HWABS, it should make the model look more like metal, pity it comes off on your hands though...
There's a link to Matt Black Stove Paint with the Grate Polish link above. This could be good for painting STENs and such followed by a light coat of Grate Polish _________________ Cerwyn
Hobby collector of Replica model guns and Militaria. also member of Living History Reenactment Groups.
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