Complete newbie wants 19th century revolvers :)

smootik wrote:

It just feels great when watching a movie, especially Mad Max

I'm mad about Mad Max. One of my favourite film(s), since I was very young. You know that there are replicas of Main Force Patrol badges, Max gloves and jacket, cars (both real and small-scale models)... I need all that. I'm like a junkie, you know? But my drugs are films (and music), and everything connected with it. Hence this newly discovered desire for replicas... but maybe I should forget about it and start searching for real Wild West handguns in good condition...

Mortimer wrote:

You know that there are replicas of Main Force Patrol badges, Max gloves and jacket, cars (both real and small-scale models)... I need all that.

Me too =) I only have a model shotgun, and a lot of electronic information. I'd love to get the car someday :-)

Hi Mortimer

Here's the link to the Hudson Mad Max shotgun Review :-

https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/modelgun-reviews-f4/hudson-s-mad-max-sawed-off-shotgun-t249.htm

Here are links to other articles about this particular model you may find helpful:

https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/modelgun-problems-f5/hudson-mad-max-sawed-off-shotgun-hammer-mechanism-seems-not-to-work-t1901.htm

https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/modelgun-stripping-and-rebuild-guides-f12/hudson-mad-max-shotgun-detonator-pin-removal-t1914.htm

One critically important point to make is that Real Ammunition should NEVER be loaded into a modelgun. Attempting to fire live ammunition, even Blank Fire ammunition in models made of Zinc Alloys, ABS or Heavy Weight ABS would result in destruction of the modelgun but would also probably result in severe injury to the person holding the gun and anyone else close by.
Remember these are Model guns, they are not made to withstand the pressures and loading created by real ammo.

You asked about the diferences between Hudson's Red and Green shotgun cartridges. I believe Hudson make both cap firing and Airsoft BB firing versions of the MadMax shotgun. The Gas Cartridge will be the Airsoft BB type, powered by H134 gas. These are not compatable with the cap firing Modelgun.

Hudson are closing down, as are New MGC and KSC. No doubt the worldwide economic downturn has played a major part. It's sad to see these Companies closing, hopefully, things will improve in time.

It's a sad fact that Modelguns can be fragile and tempremental. We've had to learn to accept the fact that Zinc Alloys, ABS and HWABS are nowhere near as strong as steel and regular
firing will inevitably lead to some breakages eventually.
Back in the late 1960s and 1970s, Japanese modelgun manufacturers were able to make models from steel which made them far stronger. Unfortunately, the criminals in this World siezed the opportunity to convert some of these steel models to fire live ammunition. The Japanese Govnmt. understandably forced manufacturers to abandon steel and use weaker Zinc Alloys, then plastics instead to ensure illegal conversion or attempted conversion wouldn't be successful.
Restrictions have got tighter over the years and consequently the materials used to make some models nowadays is very fragile.
Many models are really best left as display models only. HWABS, for example, can be very brittle and will break quite easily.
Even Zinc Alloy metal models can fail, my own Hudson PPSh41 snapped its lower reciever in two just recently.

Mortimer wrote:

https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/modelgun-reviews-f4/caw-colt-model-61-navy-t315.htm
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/modelgun-reviews-f4/hartford-hws-colt-saa-fast-draw-special-t314.htm
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/modelgun-reviews-f4/caw-craft-apple-works-2nd-generation-colt-saa-hw-t313.htm
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/modelgun-reviews-f4/hudson-s-mad-max-sawed-off-shotgun-t249.htm
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/modelgun-reviews-f4/hudson-s-colt-saa-peacemaker-t241.htm
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/modelgun-reviews-f4/caw-s-schofield-revolver-t238.htm

Everything that interests me - no more photos.

By the way, this is the thread I've found with Google a few days ago:
https://mp40modelguns.forumotion.net/modelgun-reviews-f4/denix-replicas-overall-review-t809.htm
- that's how I discovered this forum.

It is a great pity that photographs dissappear from time to time. The problem is that every photograph posted up by members cannot, as far as I know, be permanently attached to this site.
Every photo posted here has to be stored in a File Sharing Host server like "Photobucket". As long as members don't delete their photos from the Host server, or not use the Host for 6 or 9 months, the photos will remain visible here.
Unfortunately, if a photo is deleted from a members' Photobucket album, or the Photbucket album lapses, then they'll no longer be visible here.

Thanks, I understand now everything. Of course I was never thinking of loading real ammunition in my replica. I was just curious what did manufacturers invent to prevent use of real ammo with replicas.
It's ironic that it'll be easier and cheaper for me to get a real handgun than replica.
(Of course, not if I want 150 years old real handgun, because it'll be much more hard to find and expensive than modern ones.)
I think I'll first go with one of CAW Navy Colts. Then I'll know how do I feel about HW ABS and zinc alloy. If I get dissapointed, I can try with all metal models, either Japanese with solid barrel, or those expensive Piettas.
Things are getting simple for me now, but I liked it more before when I thought I have more options.
And Francky told me that he can't get me that beautiful Peace Maker.

Hi Mortimer

Just to give you some idea how some model revolvers look and sound in action, take a look at these videos

Cerwyn wrote:

It is a great pity that photographs dissappear from time to time.

That's why I now downloaded whole pages about Mad Max shotgun, because those are the most valuable photos and informations, provided by BadBean, Smootik and yourself. Maybe I'll have that shotgun in a year or two, who knows will I be then able to find anywhere such a precise cleaning instructions and other various related discussions.

Mortimer wrote:

Cerwyn wrote:

It is a great pity that photographs dissappear from time to time.

That's why I now downloaded whole pages about Mad Max shotgun, because those are the most valuable photos and informations, provided by BadBean, Smootik and yourself. Maybe I'll have that shotgun in a year or two, who knows will I be then able to find anywhere such a precise cleaning instructions and other various related discussions.

It really is a good idea to download and keep information like this. I would certainly hope to see this forum still here and thriving in years to come, but photographs and videos are at risk of being lost if the original posters close their Host server accounts as I mentioned previously.
I've been copying dozens of photos and videos onto my own Photobucket account as a form of backup but if anything happened to me then the backup's gone too.
If anyone knows how to safeguard information like this for the future I'd be glad to hear from them

All airsoft guns have red tip of the barrel? Can that be removed?

Mortimer wrote:

All airsoft guns have red tip of the barrel? Can that be removed?

Only these sold in USA. There is a law that requires red tip to distinguish airsoft from real gun (ha!ha!ha! lawyers...)

Cerwyn wrote:

Hudson are closing down, as are New MGC and KSC.

KSC too???

smootik wrote:

Cerwyn wrote:

Hudson are closing down, as are New MGC and KSC.

KSC too???

That's what Francky told me, KSC have pulled out of PFC modelgun manufacturing already. Looks like my unfired M93R is going to remain unfired just in case it breaks There aren't any spare parts available now.

Ouch :-(

I still remember that when I discovered modelgusn, I were convinced they would all still be there. Quite soon several of them disappeared from market and I learned that also in modelguns nothing is constant :-/

(this thread is really off-topic now, trying to move back)

One of the models that I liked, but have not bought, was a CAW revolver. At the time I were not aware that these were manufactured in a fairly limited series.

So... bad news about Hudson... But what can you tell me about Hartford? I'm very interested in two models:
www.hartford.co.jp/walker/index.htm - Colt Walker
www.hartford.co.jp/newarmy/images/nma_gas1.jpg - Remington New Model Army
Those are not model guns, but airsoft, with metal body, am I right?
Anyone has any experience or info on these (or similar) guns? Any thoughts, suggestions? Anyone ever ordered something directly from their site? Do you think that would be good or bad idea, and why?

One more thing, please - are Denix revolvers metal? Does anyone have Denix revolver?

Hartford was a initially a toy shop. After CMC got bankrupt in 1985, HWS took over some of the molds and continued modelgun production, as far as I know. Their main focus is revolvers of high quality. They have produced variants of Colt SAA and Remington New Model Army, as well as created two variants of "Blade Runner" blaster (M2019 C.S. BLASTER), based on revolver of course ;-)

Colt Walker is a cap-firer:
- Length: about 400mm, Weight: about 1,100 g
- Frame, cylinder, barrel: HW plastic
- Hammer, trigger, loading lever: zinc die-cast
- Trigger guard, front site: brass
- American walnut wood grips standard
- 12 cartridges included, they use standard 5mm cap
- there were 350 pieces produced

Remington New Model Army was available as both cap-firing, and airsoft gas system (Pegasus licensed from Tanaka I think). Most variants are sold out (品切れ) from HWS, but you can probably get them from other sources.

Francky lists a selection of Hartford modelguns for sale on his site:- http://www.franckys-modelgun.com/ (click Modelguns option then hartford)
No doubt he'd be able to source other models if they are available.

Also worth contacting www.modelguncollector.co.uk
and http://www.plugfirecapgunsuk.com/

They may well be able to find you the models you're looking for

Mortimer,

Welcome to the forum.
If blank fire is legal in your country, I would definitely suggest to go with Pietta or other italian replica. Those are made of metal where those modelguns in Japan is made of plastic, but the price is around USD250 or more. On top of that, modelgun usually be solid black but those italian replica has beautiful case hardening color.

shaz,

Oh, I already checked all those sites a week ago. Almost nothing there for me. But maybe - as you said - some of them could get me some model which is not listed at the moment. I've already talked to Francky, but only about one model. No luck. I'll talk to those guys soon, I just need to sort things in my head, to make some kind of a most wanted top-list, so I can know in which order to start...
Thanks guys.

shazhib wrote:

Welcome to the forum.
If blank fire is legal in your country, I would definitely suggest to go with Pietta or other italian replica. Those are made of metal where those modelguns in Japan is made of plastic, but the price is around USD250 or more. On top of that, modelgun usually be solid black but those italian replica has beautiful case hardening color.

Thanks for your welcome.

Actually, I PREFER solid black. Pietta models are too expensive for me and not the most beautiful ones. The ideal replica for me would be:
- look and price of CAW or Hudson models,
- metal body of Pietta models,
- ability to shoot blanks,
- legal to import.

As I've already said, I'll first go with one of Japanese models, probably CAW. Then I'll decide whether I'll continue with plastic models, or I'll continue with metal models, or I'll stop with collecting replicas.

Guys here already recommended you to me, they said that maybe you could find what I'm looking for. So, I hope we'll talk again.

Me again...
Here - www.sutlers.co.uk/acatalog/GAWguns.html - we can see 1851 Colt Navy Steel Frame (7th gun from above) for GBP 262 and 1851 Colt Navy Brass Frame (8th) for GBP 220. So, difference is in the price, brass version is obviously cheaper than steel version. But since I fancy brass version, I would like to know a little more about difference between steel and brass frames. Is steel version better, and if yes, why, in which way and how much better? As always, any help is very appreciated. Thank you in advance.
Anyone ever seen live some of those Old West Pietta models?

By the way, I told modelguns-worldwide that I want to buy CAW's Colt 61 Navy - www.modelguns-worldwide.com/61_navy.htm
Now I'm waiting for their final answer. But somehow they didn't leave a great impresson on me for now. They put price for that Colt: 190 GBP / 343 USD / 278 EUROS. I asked them twice which one is the correct price, since GBP 190 is less than other two prices. They didn't even understand what I was talking about. They tried to explain me (!) that that's the same price, only in different currencies. Yeah, like I hear about different currencies for the first time in my life. But their answer suits me very well, because I'll just choose whichever price is the best for me (hopefully). Nevertheless, I'm not too thrilled with doing serious business (that's a lot of money for me) with people who sound like they don't know exactly what they're talking about. I know you recommended them, but I feel I need to ask: do I have anything to worry about?
Thanks again.

Hello everyone, long time no see... I hope you're all doing fine.
I'm alive and kicking, I didn't get any modelgun revolver yet, but I also didn't abandon the idea. It's just that I didn't have the time and money for that in this period of life. But...
In less then 2 weeks I'll be in UK for the first time in my life.
1) Are there some places where I could see those modelguns which I'm interested in?
2) Is there any way / any chance that I could buy some modelgun in the UK and bring home with me to Croatia by plane?
Thank you.